[Vicky.]

Also they were not elected by the general public, and it looks increasingly like they won because they were a Momentum member.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

They helped to get a previous womens officer removed for 'transphobia' (officially the person resigned, but after a huge smear campaign against her). The transphobia was basically saying that female people have different life experiences to male people and have different needs. Being gender critical and thinking that men are not women is not transphobia.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...1c343ae147a9a9


They have now been elected into the same position that they got an actual female sacked from. Despite being a 19 year old male person.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...f6558d7a1be5ba



Feminist indeed. Removing a female from their position for looking out for the rights of females, and taking a job thats meant to be for ****ing females when actually male. Yes, saying we are 'limited' by our biology is wrong as being male or female does not stop one doing what they wish to do on the whole, or dressing how they want to dress. This does not mean biology is irrelevant and males are females, or vice versa. Its not anti-feminist to point out that males and females have their own separate issues that do not affect the other group. And that sex is relevant in many areas of life.

Misogynistic prick too by all accounts. Here is one of his youtube videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6N_bv3BMgA&app=desktop

Being a woman is all about makeup and pretty things, yet again basically. Nothing to do with, you know, being female Females are just hysterical and transphobic for not wanting people with dicks in the loos, changing rooms and such. As you know, having a dick does not mean one is not female (save the intersex replies please, its incredibly rare and nothing to do with trans)

Labour are dangerous close to losing my vote over this issue. Not just this appointment but a general view of this topic. I know Labour are liberal by nature. But they genuinely seem to not be able to see that this ideology is both misogynistic and homophobic overall

At least Jess Phillips seems to get it. I am hoping she can convince the rest of the MPs
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_...nder-bill?pg=1

Check the replies to jess' tweet. Death threats galore. And a cult-like chant of 'transwomen ARE women'. Bull. Woman is an adult human female, and I am sick of trying to be polite on this matter tbh.

https://twitter.com/jessphillips/sta...93574011191296

Cannot believe only the times dare to report on this. Its pathetic really.

Utter rubbish. People can keep Corbyn’s crazy labour ideology. The prospect of a government like that getting into power is madness - full of total crackpots.

[joeysteele]

Personally my view is that if I wished to know anything as to things concerning only and affecting women Then I'd ask women.

So for me this is an unwise appointment even moreso as to the age too.

As to crackpots however to the generalisation of fit to govern.
I would say the UK has a great number of likely crackpots already governing it now.

For me this appointment is unwise however

[user104658]

Surely even if you take gender out of the equation entirely... it's ridiculous to think that ANY 19 year old is qualified for this position . I would at least very much hope that very few 19 year old females have the sort of life experience required to tackle this role??

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Surely even if you take gender out of the equation entirely... it's ridiculous to think that ANY 19 year old is qualified for this position . I would at least very much hope that very few 19 year old females have the sort of life experience required to tackle this role??

Yes exactly. Seems more like Politicians doing it to be "right on" more than because this person was best for the job. Like Vicky said how can they be right for the job when they don't even believe basic biology is relevant?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Surely even if you take gender out of the equation entirely... it's ridiculous to think that ANY 19 year old is qualified for this position . I would at least very much hope that very few 19 year old females have the sort of life experience required to tackle this role??

Indeed.
Any 19 year old that understands the menopause is a ruddy genius, never mind a young lad.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Indeed.
Any 19 year old that understands the menopause is a ruddy genius, never mind a young lad.

No one understands the menopause, it's an urban legend.

[bots]

it just spells out how little regard the people who appointed him have for the role. It says more about them than anything else

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it just spells out how little regard the people who appointed him have for the role. It says more about them than anything else

Well exactly, even if it is open to all, it should surely go to someone with a wealth of political experience and who has demonstrated over many years that they understand the role and the issues that need to be tackled within that role. Handing any political position to someone straight out of school, or even straight out of University, has to be a massive misstep?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well exactly, even if it is open to all, it should surely go to someone with a wealth of political experience and who has demonstrated over many years that they understand the role and the issues that need to be tackled within that role. Handing any political position to someone straight out of school, or even straight out of University, has to be a massive misstep?

*cough* keeping the voters happy in this case.

[Oliver_W]

I wonder how people who are okay with this feel about the Secretaries of Education and Health having no relevant background.

[Vicky.]

Also sorry for very harsh posts on here last night, I was pretty drunk. Just been reading back over it all and I was more sharp than usual in a few places. But this issue seriously bothers me at the moment, as a female, I am not a female because I like wearing dresses and wearing makeup (neither of which I actually do). I find the insinuation that a man can be a woman just becuse he says so seriously mysoginistic. I am a woman as I am an adult human female. I don't beleve in 'gender identity' (which is akin to a religion really) as I do not even have one (I don't 'feel' like a woman, I simply feel like me) so to follow the idology that makes me neiter female nor male. Bonkers.

[Vicky.]

Lily was also part of a bullying campaign that lead to a 52 year old woman being ousted from this very role. That shows they are not the right person too. His youtube videos basically show a immature young boy who thinks 'woman' is something you can become by being 'pretty'. Its pathetic.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...1c343ae147a9a9

One of his youtube videos, moaning about not being able to go to the female toilets. Actively mysoginistic. Anti-womens rights (I would say ANYONE who says men should be in female sex segregated spaces is anti-womes rights actually, clearly does not understand or care about the risk to women).. Immature. And does not believe woman is a category that excludes men. Terrible choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6N_bv3BMgA&app=desktop

[Jack_]

I don't think this has been mentioned, and it certainly won't change any of your debates - but it's worth pointing out that she's been elected as the women's officer for the Rochester and Strood CLP - not as Labour's women's officer. The national shadow ministerial post for women's rights is held by Dawn Butler.

[Kizzy]

The misconception is that being a woman is purely biological it isn't, being female is... to be a woman you need a lifetime of social conditioning.
Germaine Greer was almost burned at the stake for saying similar... I 100% agreed with her, which at the time didn't go down too well on here.

This is not progressive, women for years have fought against their not perceived but actual disadvantage, it's not unreasonable to highlight that trans-gendered females have not cultured their womanhood from birth.

I'm not a 'TERF' which like 'PC' is a nonsensical term invented to mock those who wish to further the dialogue from what is being pushed as the preferred view of the majority.

The appointment was in my opinion a major error, you cannot push the rights of one marginalised group by denying the another.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The misconception is that being a woman is purely biological it isn't, being female is... to be a woman you need a lifetime of social conditioning.
Germaine Greer was almost burned at the stake for saying similar... I 100% agreed with her, which at the time didn't go down too well on here.

This is not progressive, women for years have fought against their not perceived but actual disadvantage, it's not unreasonable to highlight that trans-gendered females have not cultured their womanhood from birth.

I'm not a 'TERF' which like 'PC' is a nonsensical term invented to mock those who wish to further the dialogue from what is being pushed as the preferred view of the majority.

The appointment was in my opinion a major error, you cannot push the rights of one marginalised group by denying the another.

TERF is just another insult aimed at women tbh. Its used very much in a 'burn the witch' way. Its telling that there is no slur for men who believe biology is relevant.

I was well and truly 'woke' to this when I got into a twitter argument where basically all I had said is that transwomen and women are not the same, and that we do actually need sex segregation as in other countries with none, there is more opportunistic sexual crimes committed by men against women. I recieved literally about 15 threats of rape, a message telling me a transwoman is a better woman than me as they have firm tits and not a 'baggy fanny' as they have not given birth. Apparently men would much prefer to shag a transwoman as their bodies are better and they are more feminine than actual women I also received 3 death threats, and had one person telling me they would search my previous tweets and such and find out where I lived. I ended up abandoning the account as it was so scary. This is the state of the debate around this today. Though their tagline is 'no debate' because they know their arguments are flimsy and pathetic and do not stand up to scrutiny.

The treatmnt of Greer is disgusting. A few feminists get it too. Julie Bindel is attacked regularly and the transactivists even made a site up about 'Julie Bindels genitals'

[Niamh.]

What I've noticed in this thread which could be telling is that it's only men that seem to be thinking that it's absolutely "fine" for this to happen. (Not all the men obviously but I don't think a single woman in here agreed with it)

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What I've noticed in this thread which could be telling is that it's only men that seem to be thinking that it's absolutely "fine" for this to happen. (Not all the men obviously but I don't think a single woman in here agreed with it)

I think Joey considered it to be wrong, and I got that impression from Oliver too, Cherie seemed more bothered about the age thing and not too bothered about gender i think? Sorry if I'm misrepresenting anyone lol. Me and Withano seem to be the strongest/(only?) defenders of it but although we're both men it's still only 2 people so I don't think we're a substantial sample really. And in the article the person defending the appointment is a woman.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I think Joey considered it to be wrong, and I got that impression from Oliver too, Cherie seemed more bothered about the age thing and not too bothered about gender i think? Sorry if I'm misrepresenting anyone lol. Me and Withano seem to be the strongest/(only?) defenders of it but although we're both men it's still only 2 people so I don't think we're a substantial sample really. And in the article the person defending the appointment is a woman.

I did say not all the men in the thread

[Jamie89]

Oh I just noticed you said 'not all the men obviously' so that post can be largely ignored I guess (although I still don't really think we're a big enough sample to really make any strong conclusions from that)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Oh I just noticed you said 'not all the men obviously' so that post can be largely ignored I guess (although I still don't really think we're a big enough sample to really make any strong conclusions from that)

Yeah I know there's not loads of people posting in here, tbh it's stuck out at me because we're having a referendum over here on abortion next year so there's alot of discussions going on atm and it seems to be a huge number of people who ring in talk shows etc on the No side are men, very vocal men and it bothers me so much that womens issues are trying to be dictated by men. It's maddening

[bots]

To be honest, it's typical of labour, and how they deal with "progressive" issues. They always seem to take things to ludicrous, wholly unnecessary extremes, and this is just another example.

[jaxie]

What is even more infuriating is people enable this. It is PC gone clinically insane.

Being a woman is not about tottering around in heels and dress and make up and hair. It's about living with periods, childbirth, mysogyny, sexism, less opportunities and less pay. How dare they decide some boy in a dress represents me and my sex.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What is even more infuriating is people enable this. It is PC gone clinically insane.

Being a woman is not about tottering around in heels and dress and make up and hair. It's about living with periods, childbirth, mysogyny, sexism, less opportunities and less pay. How dare they decide some boy in a dress represents me and my sex.

It really is insulting, how dare they indeed. The Western world is pandering to PC far too much and as a consequence certain groups of people are trying their luck and being accommodated by political groups with an agenda. As I said before - enough rope ...!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It really is insulting, how dare they indeed. The Western world is pandering to PC far too much and as a consequence certain groups of people are trying their luck and being accommodated by political groups with an agenda. As I said before - enough rope ...!

This actually one of the few arguments where I do actually think its 'PC gone mad'. I am genuinely baffled as to how anyone can buy the arguments of transactivists (most of whom are just angry men who hate women) and how easily some will basically...trample all over real women, in favour of men who say they are women. Even transsexual people don't say they actually ARE the opposite sex. The arguments today are along the lines of 'my body is not a male body as I have a female brain. Thus, a penis is a female organ' and 'despite being assigned male at birth, I have always been female' and the totally ridiculous 'I am a lesbian and actual lesbians are transphobic for refusing to shag my male body'. Totally batshit crazy. And blindly accepted by some. Its kind of like a cult IMO.