[Ant.]

Let's not act as if people haven't had an issue with Ann and Daniel

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Let's not act as if people haven't had an issue with Ann and Daniel

But that's the point I'm making, why is everyone accused of being "transphobe" & "homophobic" . People were even questioning if Ann was "racist" Its PC gone mad .

Are we all going to pretend a racist,sexist homophobic person has never won CBB .

I think Andrew is more fake, and he's using Courtney/Shane J but because people are goo goo eyed for them they don't question his motives .

People need to Google certain words before they throw them around.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But that's the point I'm making, why is everyone accused of being "transphobe" & "homophobic" . People were even questioning if Ann was "racist" Its PC gone mad .

Are we all going to pretend a racist,sexist homophobic person has never won CBB .

I think Andrew is more fake, and he's using Courtney/Shane J but because people are goo goo eyed for them they don't question his motives .

People need to Google certain words before they throw them around.

It's the blanket term "homophobic" which is the problem.

This covers the mildest comment/joke to the very serious beatings, assaults and rapes.

So when someone is accused of being homophobic, it is not specific as to how serious it was or was not.

When you say you dislike a Gay person, you are liable to be called homophobic, when you dislike the person, not their sexual choices.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't watch but I'm assuming John was joking,and maybe like a lot of us He's sick and tired of Andrew & Shane J's showmance .

Andrew is immature AF and maybe John can see through his BS ,so I doubt John would really want him at his party, it feels like people like to witch hunt and accuse others of prejudice too easily .

By that logic a few hm's have said sexist and daft comments.

What about Ann?? & Daniel??.

Johns comment was not a joke.

You didn't watch it so maybe you should before forming an opinion?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Johns comment was not a joke.

You didn't watch it so maybe you should before forming an opinion?

Ok That's great but Andrew & Daniel were called transphobe & homophobe aswell ? surely that means yes they're prejudice aswell then? .

Just seems like people are waiting to be offended, i feel like people overreact alot .

If the camera's were not there i bet Daniel ,Andrew & Jonny would be saying some slurs that would be considered "homophobic" .

Also there's alot of Hypocrisy , people slag Ann down for her views but she's zooming into the final .

And why do people keep ignoring obnoxious Jim Davidson who was offensive to everyone and yet he won CBB ? and people even support him . So why is his behaviour excused? . .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

It's the blanket term "homophobic" which is the problem.

This covers the mildest comment/joke to the very serious beatings, assaults and rapes.

So when someone is accused of being homophobic, it is not specific as to how serious it was or was not.

When you say you dislike a Gay person, you are liable to be called homophobic, when you dislike the person, not their sexual choices.

People enjoy throwing those words around e.g "homophobic" , "transphobic" . Ginuwine was called Transphobic by delusional India just because he didn't want to sleep with the daft bint , Andrew was also called transphobic for calling India a prick .

It's ridiculous and people look for any little thing to accuse people of being a bigot .

If John was so "homophobic" why did he sit with the other guys as they watched Shane J demonstrate his tuck to them . John has openly spoken with India when she was in the house . To me he doesn't come across prejudice.

I think he's fed up of Andrew's game playing and isn't interested in the silly bromance/showmance he's having for camera's with Shane J ,if he said he doesn't want anything to do with Ginwuine because of his and Ashley's showmance then people wouldn't bat an eye lid and would probably applause him.

But because it's a gay person and a gay for pay person people instantly like to play that card . I don't know John's tone and i don't care .

But people need to remember everyone comes from different backgrounds ,cultures and religions that can give then a different angle on life but it doesn't necessarily mean they're nasty people .

Why don't we focus and call out actual HATEFUL people in this world that go out of their way to destroy lives and discriminate for their gender,sexuality,race & disability . People are fighting the wrong people here.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

People enjoy throwing those words around e.g "homophobic" , "transphobic" . Ginuwine was called Transphobic by delusional India just because he didn't want to sleep with the daft bint , Andrew was also called transphobic for calling India a prick .

It's ridiculous and people look for any little thing to accuse people of being a bigot .

If John was so "homophobic" why did he sit with the other guys as they watched Shane J demonstrate his tuck to them . John has openly spoken with India when she was in the house . To me he doesn't come across prejudice.

I think he's fed up of Andrew's game playing and isn't interested in the silly bromance/showmance he's having for camera's with Shane J ,if he said he doesn't want anything to do with Ginwuine because of his and Ashley's showmance then people wouldn't bat an eye lid and would probably applause him.

But because it's a gay person and a gay for pay person people instantly like to play that card . I don't know John's tone and i don't care .

But people need to remember everyone comes from different backgrounds ,cultures and religions that can give then a different angle on life but it doesn't necessarily mean they're nasty people .

Why don't we focus and call out actual HATEFUL people in this world that go out of their way to destroy lives and discriminate for their gender,sexuality,race & disability . People are fighting the wrong people here.

Thank you, you put it far more eloquently than I could.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Thank you, you put it far more eloquently than I could.

Well i'm glad you agree .

And as silly as this sounds i wonder if Shane J/Courtney made offensive comments about Ginwune & Ashley and their sexuality would people care?? . They'd probably laugh and call him sassy and applaud him .

[poppsywoppsy]

My take on things is of personal experience.

We offered on a property owned by two Gay men. They pulled out very near the exchange date, leaving us homeless as we had sold. We had to rent, they then said they would move and pulled out again. They wanted to do it again but we said No and bought elsewhere.

They had told us they got a lot of homophobic abuse because they were Gay, we were concerned about them.

However, after we moved elsewhere, our neighbours told us they had been doing this to them as well as us and we were not the only ones. So the homophobic abuse was not that but because they had upset a lot of people locally.

Our other neighbours were two lovely women partners who we were very friendly with and lived there for five years.

So, if we complained about those Gay men and their scams, they would call us homophobic.

This is why this term is so ill used at times by people who use it indiscriminately in any circumstance.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Ok That's great but Andrew & Daniel were called transphobe & homophobe aswell ? surely that means yes they're prejudice aswell then? .

Just seems like people are waiting to be offended, i feel like people overreact alot .

If the camera's were not there i bet Daniel ,Andrew & Jonny would be saying some slurs that would be considered "homophobic" .

Also there's alot of Hypocrisy , people slag Ann down for her views but she's zooming into the final .

And why do people keep ignoring obnoxious Jim Davidson who was offensive to everyone and yet he won CBB ? and people even support him . So why is his behaviour excused? . .

Jim wasnt offensive to me.

[Withano]

"Hes old so hes incapable of change"

Wow pretty ageist 'poppsywoppsy'. Not all old people are ignorant ****whits, many are open to change and learning, and the fact that John isnt one of those people makes him a homophobic ****.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Sullen Girl

john suggesting that andrew is “out of his club” if he experiments with shane

even if this was meant jokingly EJECT HA! RAT! SNAKE! SCUM!

What bull. He is is entitled to his opinion joking or otherwise.

[bots]

it may not have been the norm back in the day and for the record John is much younger than me, but people inherently know whats wrong and whats right when it comes to treating our fellow human beings with respect. So when laws are changed to reflect that respect it should make life more balanced and normal. That's why plenty "old folks" have no issues respecting new laws.

[Denver]

John has supported the gays in the past and if you watched his 1st episode he said nobody should ever be victimised so it was obviously a joke with no malice

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But that's the point I'm making, why is everyone accused of being "transphobe" & "homophobic" . People were even questioning if Ann was "racist" Its PC gone mad .

Are we all going to pretend a racist,sexist homophobic person has never won CBB .

I think Andrew is more fake, and he's using Courtney/Shane J but because people are goo goo eyed for them they don't question his motives .

People need to Google certain words before they throw them around.

Why do folks always have to have a "Ism" ? John has HIS opinion and beliefs and he's entitled to it, it doesn't make him wrong

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What bull. He is is entitled to his opinion joking or otherwise.

Would he be entitled to be sexist? Ableist?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Would he be entitled to be sexist? Ableist?

There was no ‘ist’ it was a valid comment. They are in a different world in there - if Andrew is straight but acts in a way he wouldn’t normally in the real world he could live to regret it. Maybe John was just trying to remind him of that.

[reece(:]

John confirmed as scum then

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by reece(:

John confirmed as scum then

Nope!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There was no ‘ist’ it was a valid comment. They are in a different world in there - if Andrew is straight but acts in a way he wouldn’t normally in the real world he could live to regret it. Maybe John was just trying to remind him of that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There was no ‘ist’ it was a valid comment. They are in a different world in there - if Andrew is straight but acts in a way he wouldn’t normally in the real world he could live to regret it. Maybe John was just trying to remind him of that.

Answered like a true politician there

[Lilac hills]

What John said was by definition homophobic and he even defended his statement in a fairly articulate way so he’s not stupid. Why are people even defending this?

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

What John said was by definition homophobic and he even defended his statement in a fairly articulate way so he’s not stupid. Why are people even defending this?

This, and also being 54 years old is no excuse for saying 'oh well it's my age and i was raised like that'. My uncle is nearly 60 and he has two gay sons that he treats just as equally as everyone else.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Johns comment was not a joke.

You didn't watch it so maybe you should before forming an opinion?

I watched it and it was CLEARLY a joke.

It drives me mad that gay (Or indeed black) people think they're the only ones allowed make gay jokes.

Wayne a prime example last night. He's allowed mock himself but no-one else is because he's met the queen? Get a grip.

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[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Epic.

This, and also being 54 years old is no excuse for saying 'oh well it's my age and i was raised like that'. My uncle is nearly 60 and he has two gay sons that he treats just as equally as everyone else.

When did John treat anyone unequally?

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