[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I love that people who claim to watch the show and love it seem to forget that the 45 minutes we see isn’t ALL that happens. They are stuck in there with only their own thoughts and the same people all day, in fact I would argue that Cameron and Lewis are illustrative of that more than any housemates in a long time.

This argument can be used for every single Housemate on Ch5 when they've done something that's debatable on the Forum.

I'd like to believe that he is being genuine, but it does feel like he is trying to tick things off in his mind that he thinks will make himself standout enough to win the show.

[Babayaro.]

There's no point in me even going on anymore. You can't change cynical people.

[Elliot]

If only we could change Cameron and his cynical ways

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

If only we could change Cameron and his cynical ways

See, this is what I was talking about lmao - judging him on how he is as a housemate. I agree, he can be very miserable and moody a lot, but all of that is irrelevant to the topic currently being discussed.

[Daniel-X]

I don’t get the ‘HE IS ONLY 18!!!!’ part. I’m not saying everyone has to be like me, but I came out at 13 I don’t get why it is such a huge deal at the end of the day. He is the EXACT same age as me. His family is obviously very accepting, the whole house has been accepting of Cian/Tomasz. I don’t really see what is holding him back but then again I’m not him. Just when loads of things add up... it doesn’t all ring true to form.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

I don’t get the ‘HE IS ONLY 18!!!!’ part. I’m not saying everyone has to be like me, but I came out at 13 I don’t get why it is such a huge deal at the end of the day. He is the EXACT same age as me. His family is obviously very accepting, the whole house has been accepting of Cian/Tomasz. I don’t really see what is holding him back but then again I’m not him. Just when loads of things add up... it doesn’t all ring true to form.

He clearly want's to pretend he's Matt Lucas' character from Little Britain and act like he's the only gay in the village , and pretend everyone is against him . Despite nobody caring . And i'm fed up of his age being brought up aswell , he's not a small child! , he might act like one but he's an adult ! .

If everything was that difficult and worrying for him he wouldn't of gone on BB in the first place and he would of kept his secret a SECRET ! .

[Elliot]

It’s also not fair to condescend and call people cynical for having an opinion on Cameron

[Amy Jade]

I wear my cynical badge with pride. Rather be a cynic than gullible.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I wear my cynical badge with pride. Rather be a cynic than gullible.

Must be terrible to have such a negative outlook on everything

[bots]

I'm a cynic myself, and i would also say that announcing it in a game show opens it up to be questioned whereas in any "normal" circumstance, anybody worth bothering about it wouldnt bat an eyelid

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Is it just me, or is this incredibly insensitive? Like, what signs has there been to suggest that none of this has been genuine?

I suppose the fact that he was dropping hints about having something big to get off his chest since, like, Day 2 (when Lewis F asked him what kind of girls he goes for). Coupled with the facts that:

a) he's presumably a fan of the show and knows what gets fans
and b) is also a vlogger and quite aware of how to get attention on camera (although usually taking the "rant about feminism and lefties despite not having lived a day of adult life" route)

Adds up to a pretty cynical picture, really. Obviously no one on here can speak for his personal life / how "known" his sexuality was to his friends/family but even if it is a completely novel and new revelation to himself... to do that on television rather than private, and tell people who care about him first, is all kinds of opportunistic EDIT: just seen a post claiming his parents knew. Fair enough, really, but even still... the idea of coming out on TV seems tacky to me.

I don't doubt that a large portion of the cynicism about this probably stems from a deeper dislike of Cameron but as someone who hasn't really watched since before he took a nosedive in popularity, I just generally got the impression that he was a contrived and try-hard personality just from his YouTube alone. Seems only inevitable that people would or indeed should accuse him of milking the cameras.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I suppose the fact that he was dropping hints about having something big to get off his chest since, like, Day 2 (when Lewis F asked him what kind of girls he goes for). Coupled with the facts that:

a) he's presumably a fan of the show and knows what gets fans
and b) is also a vlogger and quite aware of how to get attention on camera (although usually taking the "rant about feminism and lefties despite not having lived a day of adult life" route)

Adds up to a pretty cynical picture, really. Obviously no one on here can speak for his personal life / how "known" his sexuality was to his friends/family but even if it is a completely novel and new revelation to himself... to do that on television rather than private, and tell people who care about him first, is all kinds of opportunistic EDIT: just seen a post claiming his parents knew. Fair enough, really, but even still... the idea of coming out on TV seems tacky to me.

I don't doubt that a large portion of the cynicism about this probably stems from a deeper dislike of Cameron but as someone who hasn't really watched since before he took a nosedive in popularity, I just generally got the impression that he was a contrived and try-hard personality just from his YouTube alone. Seems only inevitable that people would or indeed should accuse him of milking the cameras.

But yeah, this is exactly it for me. I'm like a solid 8-10 days behind so you can all just disregard my posts as someone who is ~uniformed~ or whatever, but just like Shaun said he was dropping not-so-subtle hints EARLY AS HELL, like in the first week when they were all naming their most attractive boy and girl and Cameron like physically squirmed at the thought of naming an attractive girl, insisted that he doesn't have a type BUT WITHOUT HESITATION LEWIS F IS THE MOST ATTRACTIVE DUDE YEAH. I don't even think anyone really has an issue with how he's coming out because lbr the vast majority of us are gays who've been there done that, but it's just more of like... who are you trying to fool sis? Am I *really* supposed to take you at face value when one day you'll have a DR analyzing everyone's gameplans and house dynamics and public voting trends and whatnot, and then the next day have some borderline teary, terribly coded DR about how you have A Secret that will have implications not only in the house but In Life?

I guess what it comes down to is that I'd be totally okay if this was a messy Craig Coates type of situation, but instead we're getting this contrived as **** "I'm going to consciously drive my own storyline that I have most likely developed entirely on my own terms before even entering the house" bull**** and like... we've already lived through Dexter Koh and Aaron and Siavash and literally SO MANY ****ING PEOPLE going all the way back to like... Ziggy or even Richard? It's just such a ****ing tired trope at this point.

[bots]

BB is a game show, and Cameron has brought that narrative into the game show, so by definition he is using it as part of his game plan. I don't know how people can see it any other way

If it's a total lie then that could bring some negativity, sure, but I dont believe anyone cares that much. The majority of male hm's in the show are gay, so its not exactly a USP

[Ammi]

...maybe being chosen for BB has been connected to him choosing a ‘public coming out’ to everyone who knows him, not just those he’s closer to...which he might not have intended to do in his outside life...so it has been a deciding factor...with forethought, yes...but calculated gameplay...not necessarily...anyway, hopefully he’s feeling all kinds of happy in himself now and I’m so happy for him.....

[Beso]

Maybe Cameron thought that when he was in the house and on national tv, that he wouldn't be able to hide the fact that he was gay. Maybe he thinks he looks and acts gay, whatever that is!

So he felt like he had to come clean, but he still can't say the word gay, not even whilst coming out so that could be why he always skirted round the issue.

[Beso]

Small town boy moves to London to explore and reveal his sexuality. This has been going on since the 50s so I'm not sure why it's such a surprise Cameron did the same.

[Babayaro.]

And that was aimed at most of the people posting in this thread, who are a constant source of negativity on here.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

And that was aimed at most of the people posting in this thread, who are a constant source of negativity on here.

it would be nice if people talked about the housemates rather than about forum members

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it would be nice if people talked about the housemates rather than about forum members

Show me where in the forum rules it states that members can't discuss other members.


Good attempt at going down the "discuss hm8s not members" route, though.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Show me where in the forum rules it states that members can't discuss other members.


Good attempt at going down the "discuss hm8s not members" route, though.

the rules state:

Do not make generalised insults towards fans of housemates or contestants, in forum discussions about Big Brother or other TV shows.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the rules state:

Do not make generalised insults towards fans of housemates or contestants, in forum discussions about Big Brother or other TV shows.

Saying someone is negative is hardly an insult lol. If you get offended by that, then it says more about you than it does the person saying it.

Anyway, lets not with the mini modding, and let the actual mods decide whether something is against the forum rules or not.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

And that was aimed at most of the people posting in this thread, who are a constant source of negativity on here.

If anything you are the one spreading negativity with topics like this calling forum members names and insinuating their presence on the forum drags it down in general for daring to have a different opinion than yourself.

[Matthew.]

I think it’s unfair for us to immediately go “That’s a gameplan” because like somebody else said, we don’t know what’s going through his head. And I say that as someone who doesn’t like Cameron

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

I think it’s unfair for us to immediately go “That’s a gameplan” because like somebody else said, we don’t know what’s going through his head. And I say that as someone who doesn’t like Cameron

Why is it not fair? Did he not put himself on the show? Im genuinely confused by people being so opposed to other people calling out a posdible game plan on a game show

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

If anything you are the one spreading negativity with topics like this calling forum members names and insinuating their presence on the forum drags it down in general for daring to have a different opinion than yourself.

Calling people names? What, cynical and negative?

Grow up.