[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Hope you enjoy it!

Thanks, I have no doubt that I will

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Wizard.

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Yeah it's pretty obvious lol. He even carved E(ddie) + R(ichie) into the wooden fence.

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Wow I didn't even realise that was an E he carved. Makes perfect sense.

[montblanc]

i enjoyed this but it did feel a bit messy tbh

[JerseyWins]

Watching tomorrow night, hoping it’s good

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Seen last night; not to bad, was a tad long for my liking. It was still good though and plenty of scares, only downfall is again they showed most of the good stuff in the trailer. But it’s very funny, emotional and quite scary (although honestly I didn’t find any that scare out of seat moments)

In regards to one storyline for people who have seen it (I’ll put it in spoilers)

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Was the character Richie gay? Penny wise started teasing him about a dark secret he had that he was going to reveal, and the way he was with Stanley and Eddie in the film made me think he fancied them? Plus that one scene he seems to be befriending another boy who turns out to be the cousin of the bully, at first I thought it was just him trying to make a friend but now not to sure

Maybe I am thinking to much into it

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No they were definitely implying that he was gay. I think the strongest part of that was when he high fived the bullies cousin and their hands kind of lingered and they gave eachother a look. I think the cousin was probably gay too btw he seemed to panic though when he saw his bully cousin and that's why he pushed the focus off himself and on to Ritchie?

[Niamh.]

Anyway :

Spoiler:

I loved it, I actually thought it was better than Chapter I. It was more scary definitely but also managed to keep it's humour. I thought the casting was amazing. Eventhough it was almost 3 hours long, it flew by and I was sad when it ended. Oh I never knew Stephen king was going to be in it either so that was a surprise 9.5/10

[Tom4784]

I loved it a lot but it was highly flawed in parts, that being said, I think these two films are actually better than the book for reasons I'll explain in the spoiler. The main non-spoilery problems I had with it was that it was far too long and poorly paced and a lot of the scenes with the younger versions of the characters didn't really add anything to it. The film also becomes really formulaic in the second act.

I think the film is well acted and casted though, it's remarkable how (apart from Ben) every adult counterpart looks almost exactly like what you'd imagine the kids to look like at 40.

As for the spoiler-y stuff.

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My other big issue with this film was the retcons to the first film, like it was a mistake to make it so that Ben basically took Mike's role from the book but the way they tried to retcon that by making Mike the history buff just felt strange. I also hated a lot of the kids' scenes since they really should have been in the first film, them suddenly having the clubhouse when it was never mentioned in the first film was problematic. I think the only flashbacks that were worth it (aside from the ending which actually choked me up quite a bit, and the start which was necessary.) were Richie's since they introduced an element to his character that put a whole different spin on how he interacted with others.

The whole Ritual of Chud thing in the book wasn't great but it kinda made sense that it was a thing they'd try since they did it as children so there's a history to it but the way it's introduced in this film is just bad and hackneyed. I liked that they didn't try to shoehorn too much of the cosmic stuff from the books though since I always thought those parts were badly written and pretentious, the way they defeat Pennywise in the film is much better than it was in the book. I also liked how they handled the spider and how they made it essentially just another form of fear instead of IT's true form like in the books, making it a literal spider Pennywise was pretty inspired too since I thought the book (and the miniseries) both suffered horribly in the second half since they didn't make enough use of Pennywise and the creators definitely learned from those mistakes here.

While FAR too much CGI was used, I've got to say that the Restaurant scene and the Spider-Stanley scenes were pretty great. That being said, the weird old woman didn't need to be CGI'd and they definitely could have done something practical with the Pomeranian although that bit was still pretty good as is.

I do think these films are better than the books because they jettisoned a lot of Stephen King being overly Stephen King-ish that ended up dragging down parts of the books. Keeping elements such as the turtle as background cameos works better than trying to explain the ins and outs of the multiverse and the films, despite a bloated second part, definitely felt lighter and better put together than the book. I love the book but it has it's issues.

I also wish that more time was devoted to developing the Losers as adults instead of rehashing the same scares for each Loser.

It sounds like I'm being really negative about the film but I did like it a lot despite it's problems. I'd give Part 2 a 7/10 but I think both films as a whole are easily a 9/10.

[Niamh.]

And I actually thought even Ben looked like the younger version facially, if you imagined him having got in shape etc

[JerseyWins]

This was really solid actually, I enjoyed it a lot... I thought the IT remake was just kinda alright so I was pretty happy & pleasantly surprised with this

I will say I definitely preferred the first half to the second half though and I started getting some fatigue after a while (2 hours 50 mins! felt like 4 tbh)

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Seen last night; not to bad, was a tad long for my liking. It was still good though and plenty of scares, only downfall is again they showed most of the good stuff in the trailer. But it’s very funny, emotional and quite scary (although honestly I didn’t find any that scare out of seat moments)

In regards to one storyline for people who have seen it (I’ll put it in spoilers)

Spoiler:

Was the character Richie gay? Penny wise started teasing him about a dark secret he had that he was going to reveal, and the way he was with Stanley and Eddie in the film made me think he fancied them? Plus that one scene he seems to be befriending another boy who turns out to be the cousin of the bully, at first I thought it was just him trying to make a friend but now not to sure

Maybe I am thinking to much into it

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

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I think it's possible. When he was playing that arcade game with the bully's cousin, he was looking at him in a romantic way.

Originally Posted by Wizard.

Spoiler:

Yeah it's pretty obvious lol. He even carved E(ddie) + R(ichie) into the wooden fence.

Just watched this and I did enjoy it. There are a few pacing issues and some weird editing where it just cuts from one scene to another, but apart from that I enjoyed it. Of course the first one couldn't be topped though.

My heart was breaking when Ben was getting buried alive trying to tell Beverly that it was him who wrote the poem </3 they're meant to be!

I love how you always go into Stephen King for the horror but come out being in love with the characters and human nature of it all.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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No they were definitely implying that he was gay. I think the strongest part of that was when he high fived the bullies cousin and their hands kind of lingered and they gave eachother a look. I think the cousin was probably gay too btw he seemed to panic though when he saw his bully cousin and that's why he pushed the focus off himself and on to Ritchie?

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I didn't realize any of this lmao. My friend even mentioned that Richie might be gay because of the E + R carving on the gravestone but I didn't see it, I just thought of it as a friendship thing. With these other moments, it kinda does clue/hint to that I guess

And omg Eddie dying had me shook </3 One of my fave characters. Also another note that I agree with people saying here... I love the characterization / character development that Stephen King adds, especially for a movie, and the humor thrown in a bunch

[Amy Jade]

Spoiler:

Richie was 100% gay, it was heavily implied quite a few times but the most obvious part was in the arcade and then the R + E carving

Also...

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Did it annoy anyone that the homophobic bullies got away with the attack at the start of the movie? 3 hours and they didn't give us a scene of Pennywise killing them?

Did enjoy the movie, really liked how it managed to stay creepy yet funny at times too. The casting agent deserves so much praise for casting the adult version of the original child actors.

[Daniel.]

I really enjoyed this film. It was far better than part 1.

[JerseyWins]

Spoiler:

The scene with the little girl under the bleachers

Also @ the bullies getting away without being attacked/killed by Pennywise, I think it was good to keep Pennywise villainous and that would’ve been a hero moment. Maybe the film should’ve had revenge on them in some other way tho

[Vanessa]

Me and my nephew watched the extended version. Highly recommend, it was brilliant!
Not too scary, but the story was amazing.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Spoiler:

The scene with the little girl under the bleachers

Also @ the bullies getting away without being attacked/killed by Pennywise, I think it was good to keep Pennywise villainous and that would’ve been a hero moment. Maybe the film should’ve had revenge on them in some other way tho

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Yeah the bleachers scene was sad, she was so cute and her mom just ignored her and then when she said she gets bullied

One of the main criticisms I have seen of the movie is not enough Pennywise, they could have cut a few other scenes a little shorter and had him stalking the bullies. Just hated that nothing was said at all.

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by JerseyWins

Spoiler:

The scene with the little girl under the bleachers

Also @ the bullies getting away without being attacked/killed by Pennywise, I think it was good to keep Pennywise villainous and that would’ve been a hero moment. Maybe the film should’ve had revenge on them in some other way tho

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The way Pennywise stared at her for so long and the look in his eyes was terrifying.

Yeah, I think if he had killed those homophobic pricks, it would've made him look heroic which is the last thing he is.

[Tony Montana]

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I wonder what happened to Don at the beginning. After his boyfriend is killed, we don't see him again.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

Spoiler:

The way Pennywise stared at her for so long and the look in his eyes was terrifying.

Yeah, I think if he had killed those homophobic pricks, it would've made him look heroic which is the last thing he is.

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For a second I thought she was going to leave and survive

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Spoiler:

Richie was 100% gay, it was heavily implied quite a few times but the most obvious part was in the arcade and then the R + E carving

Also...

Spoiler:

Did it annoy anyone that the homophobic bullies got away with the attack at the start of the movie? 3 hours and they didn't give us a scene of Pennywise killing them?

Did enjoy the movie, really liked how it managed to stay creepy yet funny at times too. The casting agent deserves so much praise for casting the adult version of the original child actors.

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I think it would have felt out of place for Pennywise to kill the homophobes. There's an pattern for all the victims bar Patrick Hockstetter that they are ultimately innocent and good people. Their role in both the book and the film is to cement that Derry is a bit backwards.

[Tom4784]

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There's been something I've thought about that really bother me actually and it's mostly to do with Bev. I disliked that they pretty much glazed over her backstory (and her success) and robbed her of a lot of the personality she had in the first film. I think Jessica Chastain did the best she could but it was sad that such a standout character in the first film was so underwritten here.

That being said, the more I think about the film's ending, the more I think it's a massive improvement over the book's. I did quite like how, in the book, IT's death results in the destruction of Derry since IT was Derry in effect but I always hated how the Losers forgot each other and how Bill essentially got away scot free with cheating on Audra. Like, I understand that it's a commentary on childhood friends growing apart and moving on but I thought the film handled it better in that just the house on Neibolt street collapsed instead.

I've also got mixed feelings on Stanley's letter in the end. I liked that he got a hero moment but it's unfortunate and quite wrong that it came at the expense of romanticising his suicide.

Ugh, I always feel like I'm talking **** about this film but I did really like it, I swear

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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For a second I thought she was going to leave and survive

Spoiler:

Same. I wish that happened.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tony Montana

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Same. I wish that happened.

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It was an excellent scene, I liked how they wrote it to demonstrate how the times have changed to make kids less trusting and harder for him to kill. It was a horrific scene though.

'You're meant to say three' Although I knew it was coming it still made me jump.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

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There's been something I've thought about that really bother me actually and it's mostly to do with Bev. I disliked that they pretty much glazed over her backstory (and her success) and robbed her of a lot of the personality she had in the first film. I think Jessica Chastain did the best she could but it was sad that such a standout character in the first film was so underwritten here.

That being said, the more I think about the film's ending, the more I think it's a massive improvement over the book's. I did quite like how, in the book, IT's death results in the destruction of Derry since IT was Derry in effect but I always hated how the Losers forgot each other and how Bill essentially got away scot free with cheating on Audra. Like, I understand that it's a commentary on childhood friends growing apart and moving on but I thought the film handled it better in that just the house on Neibolt street collapsed instead.

I've also got mixed feelings on Stanley's letter in the end. I liked that he got a hero moment but it's unfortunate and quite wrong that it came at the expense of romanticising his suicide.

Ugh, I always feel like I'm talking **** about this film but I did really like it, I swear

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Just to pick up your point on Bev, as the only female character I have to admit that the fact that her only storyline was men, be that the love triangle, her husband and her abusive father, was slightly disappointing and annoying. It's something that female characters suffer from alot.

**although this is improving thankfully in film/TV in general

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Spoiler:

It was an excellent scene, I liked how they wrote it to demonstrate how the times have changed to make kids less trusting and harder for him to kill. It was a horrific scene though.

'You're meant to say three' Although I knew it was coming it still made me jump.

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I agree. I love the look on Pennywise's face when the girl doesn't believe him. ''If you're my friend why are you hiding in the dark? You're not my friend, you're scary'' As soon as she's about to leave and you're certain of her survival, all of that is thrown away when he reverts to his manipulative ways.

I was expecting the jump scare, although I wasn't expecting that long pause. I love that that was added in. The look on his face was something else.

[Niamh.]

Best Jump scare? for me it's

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Richie on the bench and the statue