[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Experts say locking down 1 week earlier would have halved the covid deaths.

Hindsight is such a wonderful thing ..


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[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lol, I verymuch doubt the "government" make a blind bit odds to your life no matter who was in

Odd thing to say

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Withano

This country is terrible because of our government

Other countries are even worse because of our government

This government are no better or worse than any other government over the last 50 years as far as I’m concerned.


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[Tom4784]

Or maybe people are just blinded by their own patriotism that they can't bring themselves to acknowledge the serious problems this country faces. I pity such people.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Or maybe people are just blinded by their own patriotism that they can't bring themselves to acknowledge the serious problems this country faces. I pity such people.

As stated in OP im not patriotic. I can however appreciate what this country does, how it helps those in need, offers ample opportunities and so forth.

I would like to hear what these 'serious' problems are though?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

As stated in OP im not patriotic. I can however appreciate what this country does, how it helps those in need, offers ample opportunities and so forth.

I would like to hear what these 'serious' problems are though?

Okay, let's start with how this country 'helps those in need'. Do you know much about how benefits work these days? Oh how Universal Credit is mostly a predatory system that looks for reasons to withhold benefits from people that need them? People have died of starvation under the current system because of it.

By painting the vulnerable as scroungers and layabouts for decades, the government has managed to turn the benefits system into a vicious cycle in which turns a lot of vulnerable people into victims and drives them into worse positions then they were in before. The current system doesn't 'help' people find work, it heaps pressure and cruelty onto them in an attempt to force work instead of dealing with the underlying problems people face while finding work.

Our benefits system was never perfect but it's never been more cruel than it is now. I'd certainly like to see how people who look down on the unemployed would cope with such a system, I expect they would do poorly.

The NHS is probably the greatest institution in our country, it's definitely my favourite thing about the UK but it's being eroded before our eyes by a callous government and an apathetic public. It's all well and good painting rainbows and clapping on your doorstep but when push comes to shove, people will vote for those that want to destroy the NHS. Public services are being eroded across the board and the public are content with letting it happen because we are a dumb people who are far too easily distracted. Instead of criticising the government and demanding change, we chortle and say 'well, just imagine if Corbyn was in charge?' because fearing an imaginary scenario is better than dealing with reality. Corbyn is not in change, instead we've got a moron that willingly sleptwalk into a crisis and wanted to deal with it by sacrificing the old and infirm and he's slowly been walking us back to that original plan.

The government is deeply incompetent and is protected by a bootlicking public that has long since treated politics like football and will fight for their 'side' regardless of what their party is doing.

The best things about this country are our rights and whether it's a right to benefit, healthcare or employment rights, they're all being undone in equal fashion and we as a nation are cheering it all on.

[Cherie]

Head to Spain, see how much help you get there if you haven't paid in for at least a year ... nada is what you would get ...nada yet it the UK with a SERIOUS problem?

UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS To receive the unemployment benefit in Spain, you must have contributed to Social Security for a minimum of one year (360 days). This contributory period gives you the right to receive benefits for 120 days (4 months). You must also prove that you are actively seeking employment

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Head to Spain, see how much help you get there if you haven't paid in for at least a year ... nada is what you would get ...nada yet it the UK with a SERIOUS problem?

UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS To receive the unemployment benefit in Spain, you must have contributed to Social Security for a minimum of one year (360 days). This contributory period gives you the right to receive benefits for 120 days (4 months). You must also prove that you are actively seeking employment

**** argument, just because another country has a worse handling on rights doesn't make ours automatically better. We have people being broken by the system, we've had people starve to death on benefits. They don't automatically not matter just because Spain's benefits systems are different to ours.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Swan

As stated in OP im not patriotic. I can however appreciate what this country does, how it helps those in need, offers ample opportunities and so forth.

I would like to hear what these 'serious' problems are though?

I'm definitely not an English Patriot, I'm Irish


You can be patriotic in Ireland, no one looks down on you for it, in fact it is actively encouraged

[Crimson Dynamo]

So many Katie fans.

[Marsh.]

"THE GOVERNMENT DON'T AFFECT YOU!!"

[Swan]

Even our high rate of terror attacks/incidents isn't a deterrent. However for all the praise we give the UK, the way we deal with terrorists and terrorism as a whole is pretty pathetic.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Swan

Even our high rate of terror attacks/incidents isn't a deterrent. However for all the praise we give the UK, the way we deal with terrorists and terrorism as a whole is pretty pathetic.

Sure but it's changing.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure but it's changing.

Not really, three terror attacks already this year, Islam inspired of course because that's norm in this country.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

Not really, three terror attacks already this year, Islam inspired of course because that's norm in this country.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ght-say-police

Fastest-growing UK terrorist threat is from far right, say police

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ght-say-police

Fastest-growing UK terrorist threat is from far right, say police

Since 2017 39 people killed by Islamic Terrorists in the UK, 1 persons killed by Far Right Terrorist.

It may be the fastest-growing threat, but it certainly isn't the biggest threat we face.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Swan

Not really, three terror attacks already this year, Islam inspired of course because that's norm in this country.

Yes but the PM
has stated today Laws will change

It is bad news 3 British
stabbed to Death by an Evil Libyan Terrorist
its Gone Worldwide
Even on left wing CNN USA

[arista]

"Fastest-growing UK terrorist threat "

Bloody Slim.
Sure but these Islamic Loner Killers are far worse
as they are More Active in DEATHS

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

"Fastest-growing UK terrorist threat "

Bloody Slim.
Sure but these Islamic Loner Killers are far worse
as they are More Active in DEATHS

Bloody slim?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Bloody slim?

Yes as you keep going on about
the New Evil white terrorists.
Yes a threat.
But not active killers


And you ignore
these Evil Asylum Islamic (Libyan, this time)
loner Killers

[Tom4784]

Bloody Slim! Focusing on white terrorists when there's arabic ones about!!

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Bloody slim?

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bloody Slim! Focusing on white terrorists when there's arabic ones about!!

Jumping onto a poor choice of words instead of actually addressing the subject.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

Jumping onto a poor choice of words instead of actually addressing the subject.

What's there to address? You've had a defensive reaction to the term 'right-wing terrorism' because you instinctively need to jump to downplay it because of the 'right-wing' part of it.

What do you suggest needs to be done to combat terrorism? Let me guess, all your suggestions will be focused around islam and will also infringe on basic human rights.

You can't destroy an ideology but you can change the circumstances that allow it to thrive. When it comes to domestic terrorism, it's always particular people that are radicalised, people are are vulnerable to manipulation and are angry enough with their circumstances to be convinced over time to do something unthinkable.

The hard truth is that terrorism will always be a thing, prevention is the key but unless you're willing to surrender your rights, people will slip through the cracks. If you blame a certain race or religion and want to enforce laws that lead to their victimisation or discrimination then you're handing power to these recruiters that will use such measures as ammunition.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What's there to address? You've had a defensive reaction to the term 'right-wing terrorism' because you instinctively need to jump to downplay it because of the 'right-wing' part of it.

What do you suggest needs to be done to combat terrorism? Let me guess, all your suggestions will be focused around islam and will also infringe on basic human rights.

You can't destroy an ideology but you can change the circumstances that allow it to thrive. When it comes to domestic terrorism, it's always particular people that are radicalised, people are are vulnerable to manipulation and are angry enough with their circumstances to be convinced over time to do something unthinkable.

The hard truth is that terrorism will always be a thing, prevention is the key but unless you're willing to surrender your rights, people will slip through the cracks. If you blame a certain race or religion and want to enforce laws that lead to their victimisation or discrimination then you're handing power to these recruiters that will use such measures as ammunition.

Really typical assumption of yours tbh. Im not saying, not defending, and not pretending 'right wing' terrorism exists, it obviously does exist. My reaction was to the Guardian story Slim posted, that ok maybe it's the 'fast-growing' threat, but it certainly isn't the biggest threat, the biggest threat as far as terrorism is concerned is Islamic driven in this country. That isn't my opinion, it's just fact.

What would i do to combat Islamic terrorism in the UK? Good question. Unfortunately, you especially will assume my view would be to 'get rid of all muslims, this is the uk not pakistan mate innit, white power' etc. You realise most people in this country have no problem integrating and getting on with people from all walks of life, right? Me being one. Human rights should apply to all humans. To combat the Islamic terrorism in the UK we need to take a tougher stance imo, especially those who threat terrorism, they shouldn't be homed with like minded people in prision. Education is key. Families need to be held accountable too, you constantly here about how the families knew of their sons/daughters/neice/nephews plans or 'views'.

Also people like you Dezzy need to accept this is a real problem, we need to be united when it comes to terrorism, in all forms. Too many have their own agendas, and as you like to say too many use this 'whataboutism' narrative (which is kinda ironic).

A lot needs to be done, but as you say whataboutism is a waste of time.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Swan

Really typical assumption of yours tbh. Im not saying, not defending, and not pretending 'right wing' terrorism exists, it obviously does exist. My reaction was to the Guardian story Slim posted, that ok maybe it's the 'fast-growing' threat, but it certainly isn't the biggest threat, the biggest threat as far as terrorism is concerned is Islamic driven in this country. That isn't my opinion, it's just fact.

What would i do to combat Islamic terrorism in the UK? Good question. Unfortunately, you especially will assume my view would be to 'get rid of all muslims, this is the uk not pakistan mate innit, white power' etc. You realise most people in this country have no problem integrating and getting on with people from all walks of life, right? Me being one. Human rights should apply to all humans. To combat the Islamic terrorism in the UK we need to take a tougher stance imo, especially those who threat terrorism, they shouldn't be homed with like minded people in prision. Education is key. Families need to be held accountable too, you constantly here about how the families knew of their sons/daughters/neice/nephews plans or 'views'.

Also people like you Dezzy need to accept this is a real problem, we need to be united when it comes to terrorism, in all forms. Too many have their own agendas, and as you like to say too many use this 'whataboutism' narrative (which is kinda ironic).

A lot needs to be done, but as you say whataboutism is a waste of time.

Not Dezzy hoisted by his own Petard!