[smudgie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

She has not learned from her mistakes and she has had help a lot more than the poor people that can’t even get an appointment will a mental health doctor

Let’s all fell sorry for her and let her carry on until she kills someone

People will real issues can’t even face leaving the house but she can travel the world, shagging strangers on drink and drug benders-she is clearly not being a mother to her kids

I obviously can’t pass comment on her ability or lack of it to look after her own kids.
I can however empathise with her addiction problems, unfortunately there is no quick fix out there, it is a hard slog that can take years to overcome.
If people can afford to pay for help then so be it, not everyone can but that’s no reason not to if you can.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

She has not learned from her mistakes and she has had help a lot more than the poor people that can’t even get an appointment will a mental health doctor

Let’s all fell sorry for her and let her carry on until she kills someone

Sadly that’s the truth….all the professional help she has had she still goes from one car crash to another literally. She listens to no one…she cares for no one but herself. She never thinks about the consequences of her actions…not for her children or her terminally ill mother.
The only thing you can credit her for is raising Harvey….but she has had the finances to give him the care he needs and allowing herself the freedom to continue making irresponsible decisions jumping from one disastrous relationship to another bringing more children into the world into a broken home.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by smudgie

She has enough money to book into Khiron House, it will do her far more good than the ruddy priory or prison.
Katie obviously has problems, past trauma, drink and drugs problems.
I don’t think she is a bad lass, everyone deserves another chance, no matter how many they have had in the past.
I truly hope she gets the help she needs.

Nobody is saying she is a bad lass

do you honestly think you would get 6 chances Smudgie? there can't be a two tier system (although clearly there already is) just because she is Katie Price

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

She has enough money to book into Khiron House, it will do her far more good than the ruddy priory or prison.
Katie obviously has problems, past trauma, drink and drugs problems.
I don’t think she is a bad lass, everyone deserves another chance, no matter how many they have had in the past.
I truly hope she gets the help she needs.

I agree.

Of course it has to made sure she doesn't drive for her own safety and others.

It's just looking at the pressures around her and no I don't think she is a bad person.

I can't see where a custodial sentence will help her, her son who it seems is extremely reliant on her not just for care but virtually as his voice too.

I think far too many people go to prison unnecessarily and she WON'T get the real help she needs in prison as many hardliners think people do.

I don't know all her circumstances obviously as none of us do.
Desperation in and from addiction does cause behaviour not wise and not legal.

I just hope she gets a compassionate judge, not more hardline armchair one who'd lock her up regardless and throw away the key

Yes she could have caused injury or death to others however in this instant she didn't.
You can't convict someone of WHAT MAY have happened.
Only on what did.

Otherwise where does that end, someone steals a few things from a supermarket, but we then consider they could have robbed a bank.
Making sentencing fit the latter.

She needs firm restrictions placed on her movements and a strong warning of not driving herself.
Maybe to have someone she knows ensuring she doesn't risk driving.

However she needs help, a great deal of help as to her addictions and the chaotic mess of her personal and financial situation too.

It's easy to condemn and judge but as you say she's not a bad lass.
Finding ways to punish without full custodial means is what I'd look for..
Plus to ensure she agree to and gets full, long and even ongoing afterwards support to help her cope.

I'm not a great fan of Katie, however while there's people the law ought to be really hard on.
There are those who are, no matter their status, tormented souls who need punishing for wrong done admittedly, however often custodial sentencing helps very few really.

The justice system does stink, I know that.

Cherie made a fair point later, asking would you or others get off lightly.
No, and that's what wrong with law and real justice in the UK.

It's a disgrace that unless you have power or wealth you can't access true justice.
It's something I wish was addressed to make it that the millionaire or homeless individual, get an equal chance of real justice.
Which is NOT the case sadly.

Anyhow, I wish her well and hope she gets a compassionate judgement.
Not the rabid armchair ones who would just give up on her and throw her into a cell.
Immaterial of the knock on effects to that of her Son Harvey, her other children too.

Before the cry comes, well she should have thought of that.
Well that's the effect in part of addictions, thinking gets flawed and that's why specialist help and support is needed to work through addictions and the mess a mind can fall into.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She has had chances, she is a criminal
Nothing more

[arista]

[Katie Price was pictured in the passenger seat
near The Priory rehab clinic after flipping her car]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ened-jail.html

[thesheriff443]

People need to remember the case where a dad, son 15 ,daughter 12 and family dog where hit and killed on Father’s Day by a drunk driver

He was sentenced to ten years, no were near enough
It was his sixth drink driving offense

I don’t care what personal problems you have when you endanger the life of others you are a selfish scum bag it’s as simple as that

[bots]

people committing crimes while under mental stress/addiction etc provides some explanation for their actions, not an excuse for them. A crime is a crime and should be punished accordingly

[Crimson Dynamo]

With her rap sheet the judge's number 1 duty is to protect the public

[user104658]

If she goes to prison she'll probably wind up a junkie because evry single prison facility in the UK is ****ing chock-full of heroin.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If she goes to prison she'll probably wind up a junkie because evry single prison facility in the UK is ****ing chock-full of heroin.

Well thats another excuse not to send her there

[bots]

realistically, they could slap an ankle bracelet on her and effectively put her in house imprisonment for a year or so. That would stop any driving shenanigans, protect the public and curtail her parting exploits

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

realistically, they could slap an ankle bracelet on her and effectively put her in house imprisonment for a year or so. That would stop any driving shenanigans, protect the public and curtail her parting exploits

You are right.
No need for a custodial sentence.

She still in my view needs really professional help for her addictions and issues.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are right.
No need for a custodial sentence.

She still in my view needs really professional help for her addictions and issues.

She has had professional help before.

The law is for everyone.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

She has had professional help before.

The law is for everyone.

Normally people are sent straight to prison for driving whilst disqualified...let alone twice over the limit and under the influence of drugs. However because the Bankrupt Pricey can afford the services of The Priory she gets sent there with the judges blessing despite also having been banned from driving 6 times before and I swear I remember reading that she was caught driving before whilst under a ban.
Its not right one rule for her and another for us....and for all those that feel for her and thinks she needs help...shes had lots of professional help but still continues to break the law. Next time she will kill somebody....and when and if she does people will then wonder how the Law allowed her to get away with it...

[Alf]

Katie Hopkins would never do this, she's a sensible member of society.

Shame on those who voted for Price to beat Hopkins in CBB.

[joeysteele]

Addictions are called addictions.
Because they are extremely hard to permanently break.
They can get to someone controlling them.

However, there's always dangers of relapse.
Hence the need again for further therapy or more.


While annoying and devastating for both the addict and family, and indeed others, it's support more that's needed not condemnation.

If there's other pressures too, of any elements in an addicts life.
That only increases the likelihood of a relapse or in fact relapses.

To say to them, you've had your help, you've had your support, you're getting no more.
How cold and callous that would be.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Addictions are called addictions.
Because they are extremely hard to permanently break.
They can get to someone controlling them.

However, there's always dangers of relapse.
Hence the need again for further therapy or more.


While annoying and devastating for both the addict and family, and indeed others, it's support more that's needed not condemnation.

If there's other pressures too, of any elements in an addicts life.
That only increases the likelihood of a relapse or in fact relapses.

To say to them, you've had your help, you've had your support, you're getting no more.
How cold and callous that would be.

She has only been caught six times so let’s not be too hard on her
And I’m sure she has done this countless times before without getting caught

Driving while on drink or drugs raping while on drink or drugs murder while on drink or drugs are all crimes

She is 43 and this is not her first offence, people need to stop defending criminals because that’s what she is.

Wake up and smell the coffee or in this case bullsh1t

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Addictions are called addictions.
Because they are extremely hard to permanently break.
They can get to someone controlling them.

However, there's always dangers of relapse.
Hence the need again for further therapy or more.


While annoying and devastating for both the addict and family, and indeed others, it's support more that's needed not condemnation.

If there's other pressures too, of any elements in an addicts life.
That only increases the likelihood of a relapse or in fact relapses.

To say to them, you've had your help, you've had your support, you're getting no more.
How cold and callous that would be.

We all understand what addictions are about....however if addictions cause you to continuously break the law...with a high possibility of killing someone in the process there is a time where you have to say enough is enough.
How many people are in prison because their drug/alcohol addiction caused them to kill or harm someone....plenty. Why is Katie Price any different. Lets hope no friend or family member of yours is killed when she is next behind the wheel under the influence...will you show her as much empathy then

[joeysteele]

If I'm talking b...s..t on this.
Then my hands are up as guilty to that, as I'd far rather be thinking as I do than hold the harder, colder stance I'm reading elsewhere.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If I'm talking b...s..t on this.
Then my hands are up as guilty to that, as I'd far rather be thinking as I do than hold the harder, colder stance I'm reading elsewhere.

Maybe you have never been affected by someones addictions...its easy to empathise with these people when you are not directly impacted. I'm all for help where help is needed....but its hard to empathise with someone who has had help and advice but still continues to break the law.
Before you start putting people down for having lack of sympathy try and understand that other people may have experienced tragedy as a result of people like Katie Price who continue to break the law because of her addictions.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Maybe you have never been affected by someones addictions...its easy to empathise with these people when you are not directly impacted. I'm all for help where help is needed....but its hard to empathise with someone who has had help and advice but still continues to break the law.
Before you start putting people down for having lack of sympathy try and understand that other people may have experienced tragedy as a result of people like Katie Price who continue to break the law because of her addictions.

Oh yes I have.
Your pre judgements of others are wrong again as usual.

I don't have to, and didn't want to, share this but will.
Just to show how your pre judgements of others can be so wrong.

I had a cousin who was a drug addict, he was helped off it several times but his family knew there was always a danger he'd slip back into it.

He seemed clear for a few years, then a relationship he was in broke up badly and he was totally broken.

After slipping back onto drugs after that.
He felt a total failure.
Then took his own life

So YOU have no idea what others have gone through who you don't know.

Since I learned of that tragedy with my cousin.
I have voluntarily got involved with and helped with organisations supporting alcoholics and other addictions.

I certainly don't need lectures from you.
Not at all, thank you.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh yes I have.
Your pre judgements of others are wrong again as usual.

I don't have to, and didn't want to, share this but will.
Just to show how your pre judgements of others can be so wrong.

I had a cousin who was a drug addict, he was helped off it several times but his family knew there was always a danger he'd slip back into it.

He seemed clear for a few years, then a relationship he was in broke up badly and he was totally broken.

After slipping back onto drugs after that.
He felt a total failure.
Then took his own life

So YOU have no idea what others have gone through who you don't know.

Since I learned of that tragedy with my cousin.
I have voluntary got involved with and helped with organisations supporting alcoholics and other addictions.

I certainly don't need lectures from you.
Not at all, thank you.

Joey that's true , nobody knows what each person has gone through personally . And what you just shared must have been really upsetting & difficult to go through , sorry to hear about your family tragedy. Like I said addiction & mental illness ISN'T a joke.

But Katie price DOESN'T help herself, I actually didn't realise she'd broken the law SOO many times. What is it they say 'the first step is admitting you have a problem' , but then the road to recovery takes time.

Many of us are sceptical of her as her life choices seem to always get worse, but I will agree something needs to be done whether it's a house arrest thing or a long rehab stay. When she's putting others lives at risk then there needs to be a serious consequence.

I still think she SHOULD be permanently banned from driving,but I know not everyone will agree with that . But surely then it will be a wake up call for her to change her ways. She's 43 she can't keep acting like a teenager with no responsibilities.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Joey that's true , nobody knows what each person has gone through personally . And what you just shared must have been really upsetting & difficult to go through , sorry to hear about your family tragedy. Like I said addiction & mental illness ISN'T a joke.

But Katie price DOESN'T help herself, I actually didn't realise she'd broken the law SOO many times. What is it they say 'the first step is admitting you have a problem' , but then the road to recovery takes time.

Many of us are sceptical of her as her life choices seem to always get worse, but I will agree something needs to be done whether it's a house arrest thing or a long rehab stay. When she's putting others lives at risk then there needs to be a serious consequence.

I still think she SHOULD be permanently banned from driving,but I know not everyone will agree with that . But surely then it will be a wake up call for her to change her ways. She's 43 she can't keep acting like a teenager with no responsibilities.

Hi GoldHeart.
Oh absolutely, she needs to be prevented from driving possibly for good.
Unless she really did get clear of addictions for a very long period.

I was in my teens when what happened with my Cousin.
It gave me a different perspective on just judging people, as that hit home.

No one is saying Katie Price should be left driving around, plus if she's to avoid prison, then she must be ordered to undergo, very lengthy not just a few weeks or even a couple of months, therapy and it must be residential at that.

I just don't see where prison would help.
Yes, she could hate being in prison.
Yes, she could get a tough time in there.
That may be fine for some who'd send her there.

I think more likely, she could befriend some who would be able to ensure she still got drugs whatever, they even can get alcohol in too.
I don't see how that will help her.

In a couple of years depending on what a judge gave her.
Then after a period, she'd be out again with no change whatsoever.

Often while prison is a nightmare for many sent there, it can often be an introduction to drugs environment and training ground for worse activites.

I agree getting addicts to admit to their problem is important and desirable..
However many block out they have a problem.
Or just never can be got to accept they have.

So yes, she could need forcing into therapy.
Constantly supervised too.
Not with free movement.

However, she has a severely disabled son, who is reliant on her near totally.
She's even like his voice and watching her with him, she can get him to respond on things, which others maybe couldn't.

Now yes, we can say well she should have thought of him, and she should have definitely.
However just if she WAS given a custodial sentence.
Then he was unable to see his Mother, whose been there since he was born and all through.

I can't see how he'd cope without seeing her.
How could he see her.
Fair enough, she's done wrong.
He hasn't..
How could Harvey with his disabilities, be able to visit her in prison.
Plus how traumatic would it be for him too.

The big picture around her is a massive mess.
However I just CANNOT see where prison would be the answer here.

Of course she must never drive anything.
She also must go into residential therapy too.
On an order that she can only be discharged, when it's felt she has been clean enough of her addiction to do so.

Still no driving too however.

She has failed to help herself, however I've come across addictions where that's often the case.
Sometimes addicts have to be forced to have help.
The right help.

I just feel that, better than prison cells, would be the way I'd go re Katie Price.
If she refused to agree to residential therapy and treatment.

Well then that's a different story.

My point is sometimes addicts need helping to help themselves.
I would always say prison is the last place where that would be even possible.

It will depend on the judge who decides her sentence.
Sadly in cases like even this one, Judges don't help the issue and can make things worse even.

I can feel sorry for her that's all.
Really for anything other than putting away violent offenders, sexual offenders, rapists, murderers.
Who obviously have to and should be, removed from society.
My view is prison is not always fit for purpose.

I don't think it is, still, even in this case.
I take on board what you and others say however.

If I was judging her, and sentencing her, I wouldn't be sending her to prison.
I'd be looking at the things I outlined before.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh yes I have.
Your pre judgements of others are wrong again as usual.

I don't have to, and didn't want to, share this but will.
Just to show how your pre judgements of others can be so wrong.

I had a cousin who was a drug addict, he was helped off it several times but his family knew there was always a danger he'd slip back into it.

He seemed clear for a few years, then a relationship he was in broke up badly and he was totally broken.

After slipping back onto drugs after that.
He felt a total failure.
Then took his own life

So YOU have no idea what others have gone through who you don't know.

Since I learned of that tragedy with my cousin.
I have voluntarily got involved with and helped with organisations supporting alcoholics and other addictions.

I certainly don't need lectures from you.
Not at all, thank you.

Well I am sorry to hear that...I have been through something similar...but this is the point my sister-in-law however sick never put other peoples lives at risk before she took her life. When addictions cause people to jeopardise the lives of others and continue to break the law then a stint in prison might do them some good. Katie Price has her wits about her...she wasnt a bumbling mess when she was live on television twice this week...thats not to say she doesnt have problems. Take her freedom and comforts away from her for 6 months then she might just think twice. Then come out and book yourself into The Priory.