[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You realise how easy that would be easy to do right?

To be fair Glenn, a quick Google is all is takes to find out that all asylum seekers are entitled to HC2 Certificate from the NHS which does entitle them to the free treatments the shown letter has.

I doubt the legitimacy of it just being "found" on the floor and being an actual letter but there is no doubt that all asylum seekers - as long as they are being processed through the asylum system and low paid UK benefit claimants are entitled to the free NHS treatments.

I think we absolutely should help migrants and asylum seekers who come here escaping war and persecution and I do believe the NHS is part of the lure that brings them here - otherwise they would surely not risk further crossings once they have arrived in mainland Europe and are safe.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be fair Glenn, a quick Google is all is takes to find out that all asylum seekers are entitled to HC2 Certificate from the NHS which does entitle them to the free treatments the shown letter has.

I doubt the legitimacy of it just being "found" on the floor and being an actual letter but there is no doubt that all asylum seekers - as long as they are being processed through the asylum system and low paid UK benefit claimants are entitled to the free NHS treatments.

I think we absolutely should help migrants and asylum seekers who come here escaping war and persecution and I do believe the NHS is part of the lure that brings them here - otherwise they would surely not risk further crossings once they have arrived in mainland Europe and are safe.

The chances of it being found by someone who relies on hateful clickbait is slim though. If the information is available online which I didn’t say it wasn’t, then the chances of it being fake are even higher.

[Kate!]

They don't come thinking it's 7 quid a day etc. They come because they know they're gonna get far better than that fgs.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

They don't come thinking it's 7 quid a day etc. They come because they know they're gonna get far better than that fgs.

You’re literally just repeating the same lines over and over, like it somehow gets truer each time. It doesn’t. No matter how many times you insist people are living in luxury, the reality is still squalid hotels, poverty-level allowances, and years in limbo.

[Nicky91]

we use grocery deliveries over here


very handy, this online grocery shopping



one of whom are sponsoring a cycling team nowadays btw, Picnic

[Nicky91]

we also receive offers of 25% off from any imported produce from Germany, this online shopping app is also very popular over there

[Kate!]

Yes Annie, but not at the expense of our own people. They are literally welcomed with open arms and taken straight to accommodation, and no Glenn it's not mouldy etc.

[Kate!]

Let's digress a little and talk about the lifeboats for a minute. These foolhardy greedy illegal migrants have to be rescued on a daily basis by the RNLI who therefore prioritise them over others in distress.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Let's digress a little and talk about the lifeboats for a minute. These foolhardy greedy illegal migrants have to be rescued on a daily basis by the RNLI who therefore prioritise them over others in distress.

Let’s be clear: the RNLI doesn’t “prioritise” anyone over others in distress. They respond to whoever is at risk of drowning, because that’s literally their job—saving lives at sea, no matter who it is.

Calling people “greedy” for risking death in a dinghy shows exactly how little empathy you have for any human being outside your own bubble. You don’t have to like it, but pretending the RNLI is somehow picking favourites is just petty ignorance.

[Kate!]

Home Office figures cited by the Financial Times in August last year showed that the annual asylum cost reached £3.96 billion in the year up to 2023—double that of the previous year and six times higher than 2018. Yet, despite that astronomical cost, we continue to increase handouts to France to stop the boats.

[Kate!]

I have more empathy in my little finger than you have ever had in your entire life for anyone

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

I have more empathy in my little finger than you have ever had in your entire life for anyone

This isn’t about ME now stick to your OWN topic

[bots]

its all too easy to omit the word illegal when talking about immigrants. Illegal immigrants shouldn't be entitled to anything. Stick them in tents and ship them back at the first opportunity.

They have immigration processing centres at all the refugee hotspots around the world. We have embassies or consulates in every country around the world. All offer a legal method of entering the UK and those immigrants should be entitled to life saving healthcare and accomodation. Those that don't enter legally shouldnt be given anything, they chose to come here illegally.

Even those crossing from france had the whole of europe to apply legally to come here. They are under no threat in France, Germany etc etc

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by bots

its all too easy to omit the word illegal when talking about immigrants. Illegal immigrants shouldn't be entitled to anything. Stick them in tents and ship them back at the first opportunity.

They have immigration processing centres at all the refugee hotspots around the world. We have embassies or consulates in every country around the world. All offer a legal method of entering the UK and those immigrants should be entitled to life saving healthcare and accomodation. Those that don't enter legally shouldnt be given anything, they chose to come here illegally.

Even those crossing from france had the whole of europe to apply legally to come here. They are under no threat in France, Germany etc etc

Yass! Illegal immigrants it is.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Former RNLI crew member David Wimble said "Some of the crews have voiced privately that they're a bit disenchanted with the fact that they are being used, to quote you, as a taxi service without any financial reward from the government.

"If you take into account the fact that the RNLI is wholly funded by volunteer contributions, some people have even said they leave legacies for them in their wills."

Wimbles added: "Somebody that I know personally, who was planning on leaving them a large amount of money, stated that they wouldn't do it, all the time they were acting as a taxi service."

At its worst, Wimbles stated that the RNLI were being forced to intervene "at least four times a day", and that the operation is "a very expensive business".

He explained: "Some people might give them more money, but I would say the majority of people don't think that it's being used in the way that William Hillary set it up for, which was purely to save lives at sea.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/rnli-lif...rvice-migrants

[Kate!]

I'm not wrong. It's very cushy.

What's coded? Are you saying I'm openly being racist using code words. Deny it.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

I'm not wrong. It's very cushy.

What's coded? Are you saying I'm openly being racist using code words. Deny it.

But you’re wrong. They don’t have a cushy life.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

But you’re wrong. They don’t have a cushy life.

They clearly do.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kate!

They clearly do.

The evidence I’ve provided say otherwise.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The evidence I’ve provided say otherwise.

Garbage.

[Kate!]

They get put up in hotels virtually straight off the bat, given all the benefits available and are allowed to work without taxation, given bikes to take jobs as delivery drivers. Etc.

[Kate!]

I see no evidence that they only get 7 pounds a day etc.

[BBXX]

The only reason this should be regulated is for the benefit of those being employed. There should be a system in place where migrants get to work for a fair wage but as a result have to forgo a level of benefit they receive (I am sure those on a certain wage have to pay for their living accommodation costs). People - mainly migrants desperate to work - are being exploited.

It seems like the outrage in this thread lies with the migrants who are working and not the companies who are exploiting them, which feels bizarre to me. If migrants were so well off under the benefits received by the country, they wouldn't need to work.

I think this country have such an odd relationship with the benefits system, it's always seen as unfair but only ever when it's for those they deem lesser. Parents get multiple benefits that people without kids don't, married people get tax credits, single people get a discount off council tax, people who use fewer public funded services pay the same tax level as those who use a lot - it's all part of living in a society, and it's never going to ever be truly equal. I would rather migrants get a job and contribute to said society in some capacity while their application is being decided than not.

You can't complain migrants are simultaneously sponging off the state while also complaining about them working.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The only reason this should be regulated is for the benefit of those being employed. There should be a system in place where migrants get to work for a fair wage but as a result have to forgo a level of benefit they receive (I am sure those on a certain wage have to pay for their living accommodation costs). People - mainly migrants desperate to work - are being exploited.

It seems like the outrage in this thread lies with the migrants who are working and not the companies who are exploiting them, which feels bizarre to me. If migrants were so well off under the benefits received by the country, they wouldn't need to work.

I think this country have such an odd relationship with the benefits system, it's always seen as unfair but only ever when it's for those they deem lesser. Parents get multiple benefits that people without kids don't, married people get tax credits, single people get a discount off council tax, people who use fewer public funded services pay the same tax level as those who use a lot - it's all part of living in a society, and it's never going to ever be truly equal. I would rather migrants get a job and contribute to said society in some capacity while their application is being decided than not.

You can't complain migrants are simultaneously sponging off the state while also complaining about them working.

Yes you can? They ARE doing both.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Yes you can? They ARE doing both.

So if the Government said that you don't need to work, they'll put you in a free hotel room in a location of their choosing, where you will be fed and you'll get £9.85 a week, would you go for it or would you think that £512 a year - even if you don't need to pay tax, or rent, or bills - sounds ****ing miserable.

People still receive benefits while working to help get by - using parents as the example once again, they receive significant benefits in the form of free childcare hours, people take this without thinking and without ever considering themselves sponging off the state. Why?