[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Surgical treatments:

* From five to 15 weeks - the pregnancy can be removed by placing a tube through the vagina and into the cervix. This is known as suction termination. It's often carried out under local anaesthetic, but you may be offered sedation or a general anaesthetic. It can also be done as a day case, avoiding a hospital stay.
* From 15 to 19 weeks - a surgical dilatation and evacuation (known as D&E) may be necessary to empty the womb. This is usually done under a light general anaesthetic.
* Up to 24 weeks- more advanced pregnancies are rarely terminated but when they are, more complicated surgery is required.

Hmm. When I was 15, I was on holiday and was spiked. I ended up having unprotected sex. And, just my luck, I got pregnant. I thought I couldnt cope with a baby at that age, so i went to my doctor who arranged for me to have an abortion. I didnt even have to tell my parents, but I did, as we are very close and can talk about almost anything. I took my friend with me to the clinic as my dad was quite upset at the idea of the whole thing happening, as initially he was over the moon at the prospect of being a grandad, though he was supportive, I know he didnt me to do what I did.

I had to go there the day beforehand, to take a tablet. To this day im not 100% sure what that tablet was for. But I had been told beforehand, by my doctor that I would see a psyciatrist first to be sure this was what I really wanted, and to explain exactly what would happen etc. From the little bit of information I was given I think I remember being told the tablet cut off the foetus' bloody supply or something, virtually killing it. The day i went, for whatever reason I did not have the option to see a psyciatrist. They did a scan on me, which I refused to look at, given what I was planning on doing. They gave me a little tablet, told me to take it and come back either the next day or a few days later (my memory is quite hazy...I think to be honest I have blocked it out)

When I went back, they gave me another tablet, which (again) I think was to start off labour (or as it would be, a miscarriage). Im sorry, I dont remember all the details. All I remember is the next few hours were so painful. I was at the loo every few minutes, every time I went I had to do it in one of those little cardboard things they give you in the hospital if your going to throw up. Eventually, blood clots and jelly like stuff was coming out everytime I went. Apparently the reason you have to do this is so that the nurses can check when the foetus is totally gone or something. About an hour later, I went to the loo again, and loads of the horrible stuff came away. The nurses checked it, gave me a blood test and that and sent me home. So I assume, that the jelly/blood, was my 'baby'.

So there are other methods aswell as the ones you listed.

To this day I still have nightmares about it, and wish that there HAD been some form of psychiatrist available that day. As I think I may have changed my mind, given the correct help. I was young and stubborn, and thinking about having fun, above all else. Very selfish decision on my part, Il admit. Although, if I had gone ahead with the pregnancy, I may well have wrecked my life...maybe not, who knows. I just think, looking back, that my reasons for doing it were totally superficial, and wish someone had tried to talk me out of it.

Its not something to be taken lightly at all. Its always there, in the back of your mind, moreso with me as my partner has 3 young kids, and my child would have been a year older than his oldest...



Anyway, Im rambling here now. But as for the orginal question, pro-choice. As long as the correct help is available.

[Prole]

The only person who can say whether abortion is right or wrong is the woman who has to make the choice. Deciding whether or not to abort a child has to be one of the hardest choices a woman will ever have to make and I'm sure it's not a decision that most women would take lightly. Someone who's seen a bit of Catholic-style propaganda at school and who has been totally sucked in by the shock tactics used does not have the right to decide on such a MASSIVE issue on behalf of a woman who is in the unenviable position of having to make that choice.

If you want to get all upset about the plight of children, maybe think about some of the kids in the world who are born and not wanted, abused, uneducated, who work 16 hours a day, who are put into care, sold into slavery, murdered... If you want to stand up for a cause, stand up for them, instead of for something where the choice is solely that of another.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Prole

The only person who can say whether abortion is right or wrong is the woman who has to make the choice. Deciding whether or not to abort a child has to be one of the hardest choices a woman will ever have to make and I'm sure it's not a decision that most women would take lightly. Someone who's seen a bit of Catholic-style propaganda at school and who has been totally sucked in by the shock tactics used does not have the right to decide on such a MASSIVE issue on behalf of a woman who is in the unenviable position of having to make that choice.

If you want to get all upset about the plight of children, maybe think about some of the kids in the world who are born and not wanted, abused, uneducated, who work 16 hours a day, who are put into care, sold into slavery, murdered... If you want to stand up for a cause, stand up for them, instead of for something where the choice is solely that of another.

Well said!

[Crimson Dynamo]

"the only person who can say whether abortion is right or wrong is the woman who has to make the choice. Deciding whether or not to abort a child has to be one of the hardest choices a woman will ever have to make and I'm sure it's not a decision that most women would take lightly."

This may be fine for a clear thinking woman say aged 28 who is well educated but what about the many thousands of young teenage girls in this situation from uneducated backgrounds - how do they decide and is their decision based on all the facts available?

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Hmm. When I was 15, I was on holiday and was spiked. I ended up having unprotected sex. And, just my luck, I got pregnant. I thought I couldnt cope with a baby at that age, so i went to my doctor who arranged for me to have an abortion. I didnt even have to tell my parents, but I did, as we are very close and can talk about almost anything. I took my friend with me to the clinic as my dad was quite upset at the idea of the whole thing happening, as initially he was over the moon at the prospect of being a grandad, though he was supportive, I know he didnt me to do what I did.

I had to go there the day beforehand, to take a tablet. To this day im not 100% sure what that tablet was for. But I had been told beforehand, by my doctor that I would see a psyciatrist first to be sure this was what I really wanted, and to explain exactly what would happen etc. From the little bit of information I was given I think I remember being told the tablet cut off the foetus' bloody supply or something, virtually killing it. The day i went, for whatever reason I did not have the option to see a psyciatrist. They did a scan on me, which I refused to look at, given what I was planning on doing. They gave me a little tablet, told me to take it and come back either the next day or a few days later (my memory is quite hazy...I think to be honest I have blocked it out)

When I went back, they gave me another tablet, which (again) I think was to start off labour (or as it would be, a miscarriage). Im sorry, I dont remember all the details. All I remember is the next few hours were so painful. I was at the loo every few minutes, every time I went I had to do it in one of those little cardboard things they give you in the hospital if your going to throw up. Eventually, blood clots and jelly like stuff was coming out everytime I went. Apparently the reason you have to do this is so that the nurses can check when the foetus is totally gone or something. About an hour later, I went to the loo again, and loads of the horrible stuff came away. The nurses checked it, gave me a blood test and that and sent me home. So I assume, that the jelly/blood, was my 'baby'.

So there are other methods aswell as the ones you listed.

To this day I still have nightmares about it, and wish that there HAD been some form of psychiatrist available that day. As I think I may have changed my mind, given the correct help. I was young and stubborn, and thinking about having fun, above all else. Very selfish decision on my part, Il admit. Although, if I had gone ahead with the pregnancy, I may well have wrecked my life...maybe not, who knows. I just think, looking back, that my reasons for doing it were totally superficial, and wish someone had tried to talk me out of it.

Its not something to be taken lightly at all. Its always there, in the back of your mind, moreso with me as my partner has 3 young kids, and my child would have been a year older than his oldest...



Anyway, Im rambling here now. But as for the orginal question, pro-choice. As long as the correct help is available.

That's a sad story, i rate you for having the courage to say it! bravo on you and you are a brave woman.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Hugo

life starts at conception.

That's an opinion, not a fact.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Fom

Who said that? Who made that into a law?
I think you are making that up really, as far as I know every living thing has rights, the un born baby has a heartbeat and brain activity, therefore its a living thing... surely?

No, it doesn't. Someone needs to learn basic biology.

[Sunny_01]

We have had this debate many times and it is always interesting to see the different views and thoughts everyone has around this very sensitive issue. I am and will remain pro-choice! I believe we all have the right to choose what we do or do not do with our bodies and that includes having the right to choose to end a pregnancy that is unwanted.

I have had time to look at a lot of information and think hard about timescales etc and do believe it is right to reduce the limit of weeks to 20 weeks unless there are health reasons etc.. but that doesnt mean I would take any womans rights away from her.

I do think it is also very sensitive when you consider the potential father in this issue, I hate the thought that anyone doesnt get a choice BUT as they are not making a decision that affects their body I think the final say should be down to the woman. That in no way means I dont feel for the men involved or wish there was more that could be done to include their wishes, its just the way it is sadly.

[Captain.Remy]

Wow, what an old debate I got involved in lol But yeah, it was a pretty personal issue to me therefore me acting a big aggressive in this thread.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Wow, what an old debate I got involved in lol But yeah, it was a pretty personal issue to me therefore me acting a big aggressive in this thread.

Deleting a Baby
is up to the Woman
but is all Very Legal.


Sign Of The Times.

[Princess]

How did I never comment on this? I'm personally against it,I could never have an abortion. It all depends on the circumstances really,but the women should really think about it before she has an abortion,because it's a pretty massive decision.

[Wildcat!]

I cant blame anyone for abortions. But personally, I think everyone should carry their baby to term, and hopefully, give it for adoption, to one of numerous couples who cant conceive, i you dont want the responsibility.
Having said that, I am not gonna be the one to carry that baby for 9 months, and put my body through it all. Not to mention, the psychological effect, of having to give away your flesh and blood. It would be really hard I assume for most mothers to do that, once they see the baby. YOu will always know your offspring is out there.

But basically, if its determined that the baby hasnt developed a brain yet, which I assume, can be done medically, I guess it would be alright.
Its a vey thin line though this issue. I think its hard to know what right, if its not happening to you personally.

[Stacey.]

i think its very wrong,,
to kill something living inside you.
the baby could be special.... famous,, model,, etc.!
why destroy that?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by courtney123

the baby could be special.... famous,, model,, etc.!
why destroy that?

Oh right.

But what if there was a way to find out that your baby would just be normal...and not a model or a celeb? Is it ok then, since it wont grow up to be famous?

What a stupid statement...

Originally Posted by VickyJ

Oh right.

But what if there was a way to find out that your baby would just be normal...and not a model or a celeb? Is it ok then, since it wont grow up to be famous?

What a stupid statement...

Destroyed:O

[Prole]

Originally Posted by courtney123

i think its very wrong,,
to kill something living inside you.
the baby could be special.... famous,, model,, etc.!
why destroy that?

Yes, I'm sure that's uppermost in the mind of a woman making the heart-rending decision of whether or not to keep her baby: It could be a famous model.

Dear God......

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by courtney123

i think its very wrong,,
to kill something living inside you.
the baby could be special.... famous,, model,, etc.!
why destroy that?

LOL Courtney! you are hilarious!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think more effort should be made to stopping teens from having sex full stop.

[Scarlett.]

Abortion is wrong full stop, whatever happened here in the outside world, THAT baby has done nothing wrong a deserves a life

[Prole]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Abortion is wrong full stop, whatever happened here in the outside world, THAT baby has done nothing wrong a deserves a life

Yeah, that's JUST what this world needs: more unwanted children. I hope you or someone you love is never in the heart-breaking position of having to make a monumental decision like this, or that comment of yours will most definitely come back to bite you on the arse.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Prole

Yeah, that's JUST what this world needs: more unwanted children. I hope you or someone you love is never in the heart-breaking position of having to make a monumental decision like this, or that comment of yours will most definitely come back to bite you on the arse.

Oh, okay then I'll say its okay it kill children, happy now

Theres such things as adoption you know

EDIT: and since when does posting an opinon on a forum mean I am "forcing my opion on people"? at the end of the day it IS their choice, I am just against it personally

Originally Posted by Chewy

Oh, okay then I'll say its okay it kill children, happy now

Theres such things as adoption you know

EDIT: and since when does posting an opinon on a forum mean I am "forcing my opion on people"? at the end of the day it IS their choice, I am just against it personally

Yes you may be right but would you ever feel comfortable giving your child to some one else. Although better then deleting it.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by atieah2009

Yes you may be right but would you ever feel comfortable giving your child to some one else. Although better then deleting it.

I personally would keep the child, but if I was in someone elses shoes, I'd hope I was comfortable giving it to an adoption agency, but I cant really put myself in that persons shoes, so I cant really awnser

[Prole]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Oh, okay then I'll say its okay it kill children, happy now

Theres such things as adoption you know

It's okay to kill children? What? Seriously, grow up. That is such a simplistic view of what this debate is about.

Yes there's such a thing as adoption. There are also orphanages full of unwanted children all over the world.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Prole

It's okay to kill children? What? Seriously, grow up. That is such a simplistic view of what this debate is about.

Yes there's such a thing as adoption. There are also orphanages full of unwanted children all over the world.

Yes, I now realise I was looking at it from a simplistic point of view, and I have changed my opinion

and my response was like that as you was a prick in your response to my post and I was being sarcastic in my reply, because it seemed liked you wanted me to conform to your opinion