[chas22cl]

personally i think it stinks,again c4 has cocked things up let someone else take over the whole of bb maybe it will better run and the public will get what they want istead of what c4 tell you what you have to watch

[nanabree]

PLEASE DONT SPOIL BB FOR THE FANS GIVE US LIVE FEED.

[BBDodge]

Originally posted by Tom
If all you do is moan then no, you're clearly not a fan of Big Brother. I used to like Shameless. I now hate it. I don't sit around moaning about it all day just to get the point across. I moved on and just don't bother with it anymore.

Unfortunately 1-2 million BB fans have done the same thing and it's not attracting new fans quick enough to replace them. A successful BB would need to take account of what the fans are moaning about and correct it.

Unfortunately Channel 4 only care about what the non-fans are moaning about. And those people don't want BB on the air at all.

All BB fans should support the transmission of the live feed, whether they watch if for hours or minutes, or indeed, never at all. It's an integral part of the concept. If you don't want to post endless messages about it, fair enough, but others will continue the fight and it is perfectly right that they should do so.

[James]

Below is a link to complain to channel 4 should you choose to do so:

They would have made this decision when they budgeted the series. No amount of complaining is going to change anything.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by James

They would have made this decision when they budgeted the series. No amount of complaining is going to change anything.

Faced with the prospect of having half the audience they did during BB9, C4 would act. No decision is irreversible. I would bet money they at least compromise by adding a bit of daytime LF as the series progresses

[Jackie]

I hope they bring it back won't be the same without it.

[Brekkie]

I've summed up the details about what we will be getting here:
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/live-feed-the-details.html

They just had to add insult to injury by adding Friends to the afternoon schedule.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Brekkie
I've summed up the details about what we will be getting here:
http://www.bbspy.co.uk/news/live-feed-the-details.html

They just had to add insult to injury by adding Friends to the afternoon schedule.

If Friends rates better (which it does) then why should they put streaming on instead and make less money?

[President]

Friends got about 4 times more viewers than BB Live feed and is cheaper.

No wonder C4 got rid of the live feed/

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom

If Friends rates better (which it does) then why should they put streaming on instead and make less money?

For the same reason other channels don't just show an endless cycle of repeats, despite lower viewing figures than they might otherwise get.

[President]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

For the same reason other channels don't just show an endless cycle of repeats, despite lower viewing figures than they might otherwise get.

Most digital channels show repeats throughout the day.

ITV2 keeps showing Jeremy Kyle and Judge Judy crap.
BBC3 keep showing Pint of Lager repeats.
E4 keep showing Friends repeats.

It's perfectly normal. But I suppose you have a vested interest and biased view about things, don't you

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

For the same reason other channels don't just show an endless cycle of repeats, despite lower viewing figures than they might otherwise get.

Repeats are successful on daytime TV (Jeremy Kyle gets a huge audience for ITV2), its why they show them. Next to no digital channels show new programming in the day

If Friends gets 0.3m and BB live gets 0.1m (which is roughly what each gets) then its obvious what they're going to make more money from

[thisisme2008]

The problem is I don't think Channel4 would want to waste money showing live feed when there is such a small minority of viewers that watch it regularly...

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by Tom

Repeats are successful on daytime TV (Jeremy Kyle gets a huge audience for ITV2), its why they show them. Next to no digital channels show new programming in the day

If Friends gets 0.3m and BB live gets 0.1m (which is roughly what each gets) then its obvious what they're going to make more money from

But (and this is the very last time I'm going to say this) BB cannot and will not work without a round the clock live feed. If you want the main show to be successful, you must have the LF. The series with the best and most comprehensive live feed (BB3) also had huge ratings, far higher than any other series. Coincidence? I think not.

[Stentionhouse]

Originally posted by thisisme2008
The problem is I don't think Channel4 would want to waste money showing live feed when there is such a small minority of viewers that watch it regularly...

And yet they had no qualms about wasting money throughout BB1-9, CBB1-5, Celeb Hijack and even the BB Panto? So C4 squandered money for 16 series and yet want government funding? No.

Channel 4 have dropped the live feed because if another scandal broke during BB10, it would destroy any chance they have of getting government money. That is the reason the feed has gone. That is the only reason. I challenge anyone from C4 to show details of how exactly they are saving money by not having a round the clock feed. They can't, because they aren't. FFS, even dirt poor Albania has two live feed channels

[Brekkie]

They've had nine months to show Friends during the day if they wanted too - they didn't bother.

The minute the slot could be put to better use by offering the viewers something different, they put it in.


You compare E4's audience share during Big Brother and outside of Big Brother. The difference is clear - even last year they rated significantly better during the summer (and most channels lose viewers over the summer!). Those who think ratings are the main reason are clearly quite gullible.


I think there is a lot of ignorance amongst the people dismissing the effect it'll have. Just wait until Day 2. Whether in the morning, or once home from school or work, if it's gone well the night before you'd be wanting to dip into the live stream just to see what's happening. But no, you won't have the choice!

[Tom]

Originally posted by Stentionhouse

But (and this is the very last time I'm going to say this) BB cannot and will not work without a round the clock live feed. If you want the main show to be successful, you must have the LF. The series with the best and most comprehensive live feed (BB3) also had huge ratings, far higher than any other series. Coincidence? I think not.

That was when the live feed was relevant though, its irrelevant now. People actually used to watch it. You're basing the inability for BB to survive on a rubbish series that was under scrutiny before it even began (not because of the LF though, I won't mention the 'J' word) ... and it challenges BB4 in the boring stakes.

Originally posted by Brekkie
They've had nine months to show Friends during the day if they wanted too - they didn't bother.

The minute the slot could be put to better use by offering the viewers something different, they put it in.


You compare E4's audience share during Big Brother and outside of Big Brother. The difference is clear - even last year they rated significantly better during the summer (and most channels lose viewers over the summer!). Those who think ratings are the main reason are clearly quite gullible.


I think there is a lot of ignorance amongst the people dismissing the effect it'll have. Just wait until Day 2. Whether in the morning, or once home from school or work, if it's gone well the night before you'd be wanting to dip into the live stream just to see what's happening. But no, you won't have the choice!

What time is Friends on at btw? I assumed it was just 5pm ...

and I won't find myself wanting to dip in and out of it on day 2. I don't watch it until gone midnight for about half an hour, or background noise which I won't take much notice of.

[Brekkie]

It's added in at 2.30pm on Friday.

That was when the live feed was relevant though, its irrelevant now. People actually used to watch it. You're basing the inability for BB to survive on a rubbish series that was under scrutiny before it even began (not because of the LF though, I won't mention the 'J' word) ... and it challenges BB4 in the boring stakes.

Of course it's still relevant - it's relevant to every series.

(And I'm completely clueless what the "J" word might be!)

[BBDodge]

Originally posted by President
Friends got about 4 times more viewers than BB Live feed and is cheaper.

It isn't cheaper because the live feed is still being produced 24/7. Just not being shown.

[oscarb]

I beleive its because BBLB's ratings are so low now with that idiot George Lamb hosting it. SO they took away the streaming to make people try to tune into what was a once great show, but now is a piece of garbage.

George should be axed if for nothing else his comments to the sun that after next year, "They should call it day" and end the series.

While I was a huge Dermot fan, I would have been fine if they replaced him with any of those guest of BBBM last year, instead of this idiot who looks like big bird. I was fine with who they picked for BBBM, and I think Jeff Leech could have been a great replacemnt for Dermot as well.

Because of this I was hoping that they would bring back the live streaming,a s ratings for BBLB can't be that good now. My wife, who waited each day to se BBLB can't even sit through more than one show of BBLB in a night if we fall a few nights behind.

[BIG-BRO-FAN]

As much as I love BB and the live feed, there's bigger problems in the world. Life goes on.

[BBDodge]

Yes, BBLB has become a liability. George doesn't even seem to be a BB fan so why is he still involved?

['Conor]

is live feed when u press the red button or is it "big brother live"

[Benji]

W cant do anything about it. At least we are getting it at night and NOT at all!

[Shep]

I think the main issue with the live feed was the buzz it created for the people who frequent BB forums. In the grand scheme of things it could have made a difference, as the majority of live feed viewers tend to be hard core BB nuts that vote every eviction compared to the casual viewers, who may tune in now and again, dip in and out, and save there vote for the final. Big Brother was sold to the government as an Orwellian landscape, it was the whole premise of them being watched 24/7 that separates the show from every other reality show out there - cut that, and the show conforms to become the same as the rest of them.

People could tune in whenever something juicy was going down, conversations were discussed and in the internet world livefeed was a great source of information to everyone. Word has it C4 cut the LF not because of costs, or ratings, but because they will have pretty much all the control they didn't have before to manipulate and pull the strings on the edit show. With no LF, we are forced to digest whatever they feed us, we can't go to the forums and ask if so and so really said that, and the casual viewers will be oblivious to what really happened. I've heard C4 cut it because of this and the OFCOM brigade, but then, we all know there are stipulations and regulations and procedures that could be put in place to prevent this, they have just chosen not too, and made it pretty clear while they were at it.

In all honesty, it doesn't affect me too much because I tuned in in the evenings which is still available - but I will certainly miss the WHATM threads, and sporatic forum drama that usually ensues. I guess it just depends on the kind of viewer you are, if you never watched the LF before, it won't really affect you.

Stention is just battling for what made the show great to begin with though, I admire his persistence, before people go attacking him and mocking him I would bear in mind that he loves the show just like the rest of you.

Looking forward to BB10, but you will find me over at DS:BB, these forums give me a headache.