[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

The same as the father. I don't condone suicide. It's awful that the child was bullied and disgraceful that it wasn't picked up.

Needless to say suicide is not an option

So was the child also selfish? Or were the teenagers who made his life un-liveable the selfish ones?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by JH95

So was the child also selfish? Or were the teenagers who made his life un-liveable the selfish ones?

Erm both were.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Glenn

The same as the father. I don't condone suicide. It's awful that the child was bullied and disgraceful that it wasn't picked up.

Needless to say suicide is not an option

So you would prefer that boy and that father to just live in suffering and torture from their own minds?

I don't agree with suicide and have some sympathy with the case Glenn is forwarding here. However, it's impossible to know what is actually happening inside the head of the person concerned, unless you (rather impossibly) walk a mile in their shoes.

No one knows how the connecting circuits of our brains, are firing/misfiring in the heads of others.

[CharlieO]

I genuinely just cannot see your point of view at all Glenn, it is just so wrong.

[Niamh.]

He couldn't have been in that much of a bad state???? ****ing hell Glenn, he killed himself, finished, gone, end of, what do you think he was thinking?? Oh what a laugh, think I'll kill myself???

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He couldn't have been in that much of a bad state???? ****ing hell Glenn, he killed himself, finished, gone, end of, what do you think he was thinking?? Oh what a laugh, think I'll kill myself???

I don't even know what to say, it is just so ridiculous I cannot fathom it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

I don't even know what to say, it is just so ridiculous I cannot fathom it.

Yeah, I think I need to stop reading this thread tbh, I hate that It's making me feel this angry.

[Ammi]

Imo the father and mother wouldn't be going through the same thing...that's the thing about grief..it's personal..it can't be shared..and everyone's grief is their own..only theirs. They would both grieve for the same reason but it wouldn't be the same grief...and neither of them may have been able to help the other..the death of a child isn't something that a couple can 'share'...like the birth of a child.

..his 15 year old son committed suicide too..it's interesting that only the father is being discussed

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Imo the father and mother wouldn't be going through the same thing...that's the thing about grief..it's personal..it can't be shared..and everyone's grief is their own..only theirs. They would both grieve for the same reason but it wouldn't be the same grief...and neither of them may have been able to help the other..the death of a child isn't something that a couple can 'share'...like the birth of a child.

..his 15 year old son committed suicide too..it's interesting that only the father is being discussed

You are absolutely right Ammi. There is that element of guilt involved also - he probably felt he had failed his child, and I can't imagine how awful that must be. It's something you can't even begin to empathise with unless you have children yourself. If, god forbid, one of my kids, to whom I gave life, deliberately ended it, I would be in such pain and self loathing about my failure as a parent, that I can't even begin to explain how desperate and heart broken I would be.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I think I need to stop reading this thread tbh, I hate that It's making me feel this angry.

now you know why i got out so early. :P


this is the kinda sheet that gets me banned every time.

Say your peace, every word, and then don't look back. That's what i do.

some topics with some people you know you cannot argue with. It sounds horrible but it's true, some people are literally just dumb. Some topics are obviously witch hunts, some topics are obviously genocide. You have to recognize them right away. Just post a big old lecture and get the F OUT. it's the only way.

[Glenn.]

What exactly can't anyone understand? Please enlighten me, I'm dying to know.

[Marsh.]

I just think it's very difficult to make judgement either way considering none of us actually know these people and the details of their lives.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I just think it's very difficult to make judgement either way considering none of us actually know these people and the details of their lives.

...that is exactly right. No parent ever believes they will outlive their children. If you lose a child to cancer, you could channel your grief through helping other similar families and fundraising... if your child was murdered, you could focus your grief on the capture/conviction/sentencing...and you could hate the murderer..hate is a focus, a channel....if you lost your child through suicide....you could focus on the 'reason'..help bully victims...

...you could do that...if you were able to channel your grief...if you were able to focus on another aspect...people always say 'take your mind off' ..'keep busy' .....

...but you have to be able to do that. You have to know how to do that...you have to be able to be able to find a reason..a cause..something you feel strongly enough about to be able to channel your emotions into...at a time when you have very little strength to put one foor in front of the other...

...you could argue, that if he hadn't of committed suicide...maybe in a month...6 months...a year....things may have seemed different to him...he may have found a channel...

...but this was the cards he was dealt...this was the reality of his life...this was the despair he felt...there was no 'future' for him...there was only a 'now'...and he obviously felt that was the only channel he had

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...you could argue, that if he hadn't of committed suicide...maybe in a month...6 months...a year....things may have seemed different to him...he may have found a channel...

That's what guts me personally when it comes to suicides. You think how, with the right help and support, this person could have been guided into a happier and healthier future.

My mum suffered with depression a lot when she was younger aswell as panic attacks and everything. She said it feels like a different person when she thinks back to her darkest times when it felt like she'd never feel happiness again. You never know what the future holds.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

That's what guts me personally when it comes to suicides. You think how, with the right help and support, this person could have been guided into a happier and healthier future.

My mum suffered with depression a lot when she was younger aswell as panic attacks and everything. She said it feels like a different person when she thinks back to her darkest times when it felt like she'd never feel happiness again. You never know what the future holds.

No you don't..but we don't live in the future..we live in the present...sometimes people can't see beyond their grief to recognise they need help..none of us have got a suicide tick list...we can only take every minute as it comes and hope we get through to the next...this guy couldn't do that..his grief had obviously become bigger than him..some get through and some don't

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

No you don't..but we don't live in the future..we live in the present...sometimes people can't see beyond their grief to recognise they need help..none of us have got a suicide tick list...we can only take every minute as it comes and hope we get through to the next...this guy couldn't do that..his grief had obviously become bigger than him..some get through and some don't

I know that. Just saying it's sad when from a rational POV these tragedies can be avoided.

[Marsh.]

Don't think it's fair to call him dumb lostalex. It's just two extremely different perspectives on a situation.

[Shaun]

[InOne]

Tragic case for all involved

[lostalex]

F Canada.

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[Glenn.]

No ones digging a except for his distraught wife for her dead husband

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn

No ones digging a except for his distraught wife for her dead husband

Inappropriate joke for something you seemed to be taking extremely seriously a few posts back.

[Shaun]

oh jesus christ glenn...

[Glenn.]

I just can't quite believe I'm being ridiculed because I don't condone suicide.