[Nemo123]

Jack Ruby incriminated LBJ in what turned out o be his last interview before a camera, before he died. He pointed the finger fair and square at LBJ. An investigative journalist, ad famous gossip columnist, Dorothea Killgallon, had the last known interview with Ruby before he died. She sad she was going to blow he whole case open. She was murdered.

[Marsh.]

I believe some of the Princess Diana theories.

That's right Camilla, I'm on to you.

[Nemo123]

Before the Senate House Committe got gong into the House select committe in1978, witness after witness died from suicides and accidents. Jerry Kroth did a diagram which chronicled these death against the general population, and he discovered the rate of murders of these people was 10x the national average, and those ho did from natural causes one fifth of the statistical norm.

[Nemo123]

Last night I listened to an interview between Johnny Carson, and Jim Garrison, on the Tonight Show in 1969. He ridiculed Garrison shamelessly, and had his audience laugh at Jim Garrison. I's on Youtube and it's a shameful reflection of Johhny Carson. This interview was only one month before the trial of Clay Shaw, the only man ever brought to trial by Garrison. The corporate media did a number on him. If Johhny carson, the blue-eyed boy of television could treat this earnest and honest man so shoddily, then you can't but conclude he was doing his master's bidding, whomever they are.

[Nemo123]

George Walker Bush was part of a CIA group. He set up a company called Zapata oil, which operated from a small island just north of Cuba. They were CIA and they were amassing a force to overthrow Castro. These were an army of subversives, both CIA and Mafia, and in some cases both. The theory goes they turned their band of murders on Kennedy. Why? Because he wanted to make peace with Cuba. The evidence is in his speeches. He waned to wind down the arms race. He waned to make an accommodation with his his enemies. He was a dove. He made big speeches about it, accommodation, disarmament, peace. He flew in the face of the hawks under his administration. Kennedy was from a wealthy family, he didn't need to bend his will to the forces he was boss of. He took on a lot of vested interested interested. he took on Big Oil in Texas, promising to cut their subsidies. Big Oil, names like Merkeson reeled at the prospect. Merkeson owned Texas, the police force and the whole shooting match. The CIA was being defanged by him, having its leader Dulles sacked, the same Dulles who sat on the Waren Commission. Bobby Kennedy went all out afer the 1960 election to destroy the mafia, despite Sam Giancanna helping his carry the Chigago vote. They fel betrayed, but not so much by Kennedy but by his brother, Robert, the Attorney General of the US. The mob wanted to kill Robert Kennedy, but the reckoned, correctly, killing him was just cutting the tail off the dog, and the head, JFK, would come back to bite him. So they targeted JFK instead.

You had the Bushes in the backgroung. George W Bush's father, Prescott, was a nazi banker during the war, yet he came out relatively unscathed. He patronised Richard Nixon, he owned him. George W bush denied ever being a member of the CIA, yet he was appointed head of that organisation in 1974. Nixon was Prescott Bush's man. The Bushes have had their hands on the reign of power form long before that day to now. They have suppressed the truth of JFK's assassination to this day. They've owned the Whiehouse for most of the last 40 years, and they haven't gone away.

[Nemo123]

Last night, I watched a John Kerry interview from a month or two ago. He chose for whatever reason to speak out about the JFK assassination. He agreed, partially, with the findings of the House Committee on assassinations who judged 35 years ago it was a conspiracy. Then he muddied the water. He said it was a communist conspiracy. He blamed the Russians. He opined Oswald had Russian help. When I considered it after a few hours, I wondered if a democratic Presidential candidate, who stood against GW Bush in 2004, could be either so stupid or so dishonest to say such a thing. To think he's the foreign minister now, or whatever the Americans call that office, is scary.
The JFK murder may have happened 50 years ago but the lies are as fresh as ever.

[Nemo123]

For people who have watched RT, Russian Television, I came across Thom Hartmann, 20 years ago, on a Youtube video.
He outlined a project called "Operation Freedom", which followed on from the Bay Of Pigs. It was a covert operation to overthrow Castro. It was Bobby Kennedy's brainchild. It had to be ultra secret, and it had to be ultra deniable by the Administration, because it would draw the USA and Russia into conflict. So a secret CIA force was amassed against Cuba, in Miami, in New Orleans, and on an island just adjacent to Cuba. This island was the home of Zapata Oil, owned by a George Bush.
What's significant, according to Thom Hartmann, is that this was a Bobby Kennedy operation. It backfired. Kennedy became a more significant target than Castro. He was a greater threat to: The Military Industrial Complex; The CIA; Lyndon Baines Johnson; The Mafia; and BIG OIL.
So the plot to kill Castro was redirected to kill Kennedy. Operation Freedom's planning and preparedness, was turned on the greater threat to the establishment.
And, PS, Kennedy was printing money without the Federal Reserve, $6 billion, printed by the govt. and issued without interest. He was in the process of doing away with the Federal Reserve.

[Nemo123]

And because "Operation Freedom" was Bobby Kennedy's brainchild, he felt partly responsible in the killing of his brother. This tempered his response to his brother's death.

[Nemo123]

I believe, John and Robert Kennedy were independently rich. They couldn't be bought. They weren't saints. JFK was a sex addict.
But!!! They took on anyone, with a Catholic verve. They were idealists who wanted to create a better world.
JFK went about his presidency like a crusade. He took on all the vested interests. The mafia, the Military Industrial Complex, whose fortune were tied in Vietnam, and spending lots of lives and money there, the Big Oil men whose subsidy would have been cut, etc.

[fingers]

You don't have to "believe" that they were independently rich, their father was the most successful importer of illegal alcohol during Prohibition.

[Vicky.]

My most controversial one really (9/11 and diana are common as hell) is the boston bombing. I dont pretend to know what happened. But I do know that the official version contradicts itself at every turn, and what has happened after the remaining suspect was arrested has been food for thought too

Lets ignore the fact that he shot himself from inside his mouth while he was unarmed.
Wrote out a confession inside the boat...in the dark, whilst heavily injured...and with no writing instrument found(hey, maybe it went the same place as the invisible gun he shot himself with). Oh, and they never found this 'boat note' until months afterwards, despite seizing and searching the boat at the time. Whole team need to go to specsavers
And also apparently confessed to the bombing whilst heavily sedated

We have the murder of Todashev..right before he was about to 'confess' to the triple murder he did with Tamerlan
We have the prosecution/government blocking access to Dzhokhar from his lawyers, imposing SAMS on him..4 months AFTER his arrest, not immediately.. which is not necessary in this case at all.
We have/had a ridiculous amount of sealed court dockets and so on


So yeah. Something stinks.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

My most controversial one really (9/11 and diana are common as hell) is the boston bombing. I dont pretend to know what happened. But I do know that the official version contradicts itself at every turn, and what has happened after the remaining suspect was arrested has been food for thought too

Lets ignore the fact that he shot himself from inside his mouth while he was unarmed.
Wrote out a confession inside the boat...in the dark, whilst heavily injured...and with no writing instrument found(hey, maybe it went the same place as the invisible gun he shot himself with). Oh, and they never found this 'boat note' until months afterwards, despite seizing and searching the boat at the time. Whole team need to go to specsavers
And also apparently confessed to the bombing whilst heavily sedated

We have the murder of Todashev..right before he was about to 'confess' to the triple murder he did with Tamerlan
We have the prosecution/government blocking access to Dzhokhar from his lawyers, imposing SAMS on him..4 months AFTER his arrest, not immediately.. which is not necessary in this case at all.
We have/had a ridiculous amount of sealed court dockets and so on


So yeah. Something stinks.

I read your post, and I wasn't aware of any of it. So, I suggest you separate it from this. Or separate various conspiracy theories, ones which hold water, into individual threads.

[fingers]

Any serious student of the Kennedys would do well to read this rather lengthy document!

> http://bztv.typepad.com/Winter/DarkSideSummary.pdf

Since it is in PDF form you can download it and study it at leisure!

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

Any serious student of the Kennedys would do well to read this rather lengthy document!

> http://bztv.typepad.com/Winter/DarkSideSummary.pdf

Since it is in PDF form you can download it and study it at leisure!

I'll read it, but it would help if you could give a summary in advance.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

I'll read it, but it would help if you could give a summary in advance.

It merely charts the Kennedy Clan's rise to power over several decades, (12 PDF Pages).

Rather than read about the Kennedys, if he reads about Lee Harvey Oswalds' life, then he'd drop this conspiracy nonsense completely.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Rather than read about the Kennedys, if he reads about Lee Harvey Oswalds' life, then he'd drop this conspiracy nonsense completely.

This statement is ambivalent. What does it mean?

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by The Baby Jesus

Rather than read about the Kennedys, if he reads about Lee Harvey Oswalds' life, then he'd drop this conspiracy nonsense completely.

I watched and read quite a lot about Oswald. Judyth Vary Baker's recently released book, which I've seen her speak about on Youtube, makes an overwhelming case against him being a sole looney assassin. The House of Representatives Select Committee On Assassinations conclusion was it was a conspiracy. People who endorse the lone gunman theory conveniently forget that this is the official govt. position; the Warren Commission Reports falls asunder with their findings.
I think people who reject this killing was a conspiracy have trouble getting their head around how such a huge conspiracy could be pulled off without anyone speaking. Witnesses have been speaking and ignored since 1963. Why, because Kennedy was killed by the most powerful cadre of individuals, just as Julius Caesar was. The CIA, the FBI and the Dallas police were instructed from the president, LBJ, that they had their man in Oswald, and look no further.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by TinyFingeringTim

It merely charts the Kennedy Clan's rise to power over several decades, (12 PDF Pages).

I know the Kennedys were nouveau riche, their father Joseph made the family money, and they were resented by established wealth. I know and I don't care. It's irrelevant.

[Nemo123]

The thing that turned my stomach, which I saw only for the first time yesterday, was John Kerry say he agreed JFK's murder was the result of a conspiracy.
The Warren Commission's findings are that Oswald was a lone gunman.
The House Select Committee on Assassinations report in 1979 concluded it was a conspiracy, in other words there was another shooter. There had to be.
Kerry is just saying Oswald was motivated or driven by the Soviets. There is no difference between what Kerry is saying and the Warren Report.
I saw Kerry's interview with one of the big networks, 3 months ago, last night. In an instant I lost any respect I had for him and by extension the Democratic Party.
He's either a liar or an idiot.

[Z]

I like a good conspiracy theory but I hate discussing them with other people because so many people are properly invested in them whereas I just read them casually and maybe have a couple of opinions based off the one thing I've read

[Nemo123]

The Baby Jesus, you see you can try and see me any which way you like. In the here and now. I'm holding offialdom over you. I'm contradicting you with the force of legality. You're aware the legal position of the US government is that JFK was killed by a group of conspirators? Or aren't you?

Originally Posted by Nemo123

The Baby Jesus, you see you can try and see me any which way you like. In the here and now. I'm holding offialdom over you. I'm contradicting you with the force of legality. You're aware the legal position of the US government is that JFK was killed by a group of conspirators? Or aren't you?

I'm pretty sure it isn't, but provide the sources and I'll have a look through it. What I think happened is a committee was set up to investigate about 10-15yrs after it, and they reached the conclusion of conspiracy, thats not the position of the US government.

You obviously know nothing about American politcs, where politicians can get away with all manner of crazy things. So lets assume you're right, and the official current position of the US government is that JFK was killed by a secret cabal, what then? Where is the evidence for the conspiracy? How did it play out?

I'm happy to go through this step by step, as long as you're not closed minded enough to ignore evidence, and believe YT comments.

[Ammi]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ok-claims.html