[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

That's the sad irony of this whole affair is that the best leader is not necessarily the best looking most eloquent or most charismatic. But they are the ones that get voted in, it's the way of politics now where the voter is voting for the leader not the party so only the personal qualities of the leader are judged above the policies of the party.

It's totally wrong I know but it happens every time. Look at Tony Benn and Michael Foot both would have made great leaders but they never got the chance.

I hope Mr Miliband survives and wins the election but honestly can't see it as once the hounds attack the sniping gets louder and louder until a labour front bencher breaks ranks and openly criticises the leader forcing him to hold a vote of confidence and by then I'm afraid it's pretty much game over for Mr Miliband.

I think if he survives to Christmas then he will be OK, but I suspect there are further pitfalls and bear traps lying in wait for him. It could be a long 7 weeks.




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Exactly Nedusa, Tony Benn,had he been a Labour leader and then PM,would have changed the UK completely.
Although had I been born in his time,I would not then have agreed with his policies,I admit that.
However I respect and love the way he too, despite all the personal attacks fired at him by the press and the Conservative party,how he stood firm and carried on regardless.

He was branded the most dangerous man in politics and a loony left madman by the Conservatives for advocating in the 80s and early 90s that we should leave the EU,what does that now make this lot in power now then.

I agree with you, I hope Labour win the election but I also agree with you that it now looks more likely they will be the largest party rather than a govt. with an overall majority.
Divided parties do struggle in elections so this nonsense around Ed Miliband going, has to be well and truly halted and dealt with,then the main issues can be hopefully got across.
Having said that, I am sure this is the going to be the most dirty,nasty and rotten election campaign form the Conservatives and their 'press' friends,especially the sickening Daily Mail and the paper that,in my view, should never have been allowed to continue in existence,The Sun.

I mean, yesterday even Nigel Farage said he could work with Labour,I guess he meant if they agreed a referendum on the EU that he would not have his party bring down a Labour govt in that scenario.

I am not that worried as to Scotland, if Labour lost half its seats there, they will all go to the SNP, no way will the SNP support a Conservative led govt.
So in reality,although not desired, the next house of commons could look really strange as to its makeup.

There will be,in another hung parliament a likely massive anti Conservative vote from just about all the other parties,except for the DUP in Northern Ireland.
It could yet be that at last we get a govt. that reflects the views in part of just about all the parties of the UK,which oddly enough may also just be one the best govts. the UK has had.

[joeysteele]

I have to say if Ed Miliband wants to really look at making an impact and re-inventing himself as a credible leader to more voters.
I hope he watched the SNP conference today.

Alex Salmond has been the SNP leader the longest of all the other party leaders of any party,his farewell speech today was vibrant, full of vision and sounded fresher than anything any other party or their leaders appear to be or have acted for years.
I don't care for Nicola Sturgeon but she as the new SNP leader also presented a clear vision and the enthusiasm for the fight ahead and for her Nation was clearly evident.

This is how politicians should be, fighting for their Nation and also setting out to ensure all citizens benefit with no discriminatory policies against any section of society or demonising any sections of society either.

I was gripped throughout the whole session today, the thought came firing at me this is what Ed Miliband needs to do too,really force the message across.
he has a fantastic amount to go on too.

David Cameron's lies as to the NHS re-organisation,the massive danger presented to the UK with his procrastinated over 4 year long EU referendum policy and his attack, demonisation of and discriminatory policies against the weakest, poorest and most vulnerable, sick and disabled of the UK.

Then Ed has the other waste of space left, Nick Clegg,the man who promised voters loads, even signed a pledge in order to get their trust and votes, only to smack them in the face for their trust and votes by supporting some of the most unjust, heartless and rotten policies against vulnerable people from a rotten from the core, not to the core govt.which he chose to be part of too.

Come on Ed, get your front team together,get out there hammering that message home all the time up to the 2015 election.
Accepting things are better economically at last but also reminding people that we were out of recession and had 1.1% growth when this lot took power in 2010,which they then eroded for nearly 3 years with at best tiny or no growth at all.
Leaving inflation to eat away at peoples incomes.

He needs to spell out how Labour would not let the recovery and growth in place now be eroded by himself and Labour, to stress they will build on that growth and nurture that recovery which is at last in place after so long.
Not be put off by the small,at last, successes of this govt. but use it to his and Labour's advantage.
Pressing home how important it is not to let the Conservatives and Lib Dems after the election in 2015, erode the recovery and growth in place now as they did by the end of 2010.

Ed said there was a lot to fight for, he is right and he should start right now on the lines outlined above.
If he did and energised Labour and the voters, he could yet get a very positive surprising result in 2015.

I hope he does watch the SNP conference highlgihts today,because for me that is the way to do it and go about things.

[arista]

"Come on Ed, get your front team together,"


How can he when half of them want him out.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Come on Ed, get your front team together,"


How can he when half of them want him out.

No they don't and that is not the case at all.

I still hope he will learn that negatives can be turned into positives,as I outlined as to the SNP.

Alex Salmond was ridiculed in the independence referendum campaign by those at the very top of UK politics and the press too.
He narrowly lost the fight for the referendum results he wanted but the SNP coming together, rallying round their leadership despite all that negativity towards his cause and himself.
Has seen him as he hands over to Nicola Sturgeon being seen as one of the better politicians in the UK and he would have remained so had he stayed as leader too.

Those who fired the negativity, the ridicule, the insults and the threats are the ones who have lost the credibility.
It can be done and if the Labour party unite around their leadership,the full team of Shadow Ministers, the election is still able to be theirs.

3 days ago we had a poll saying the Conservatives were 3% ahead of Labour 32% to 29% respectively, today the you gov poll says Labour has a 3% lead with 35% to the Conservatives 32%.
All the polls are saying the same thing, things are close between the 2 main parties but the fact is, if the polls stay as they are then Labour will be the next govt.

All the main parties need a shake up but as yet there is no proven record of Ed Miliband lying to and misleading the voters, as there is with the other 2.
I really do still believe he can win in 2015 and rather strongly too.

[lostalex]

If they can't even figure out how to choose a decent leader, how the **** can you expect them to lead any meaningful policies? Gawd Labour is so ****ing pathetic.

Who the **** would ever trust these idiots to lead anything, let alone the entire country.

It seems the only think Labour is good at is gaining sympathy. do they honestly believe people will vote for them just based on sympathy? just because they are so sad and pathetic?

Who the **** would ever vote for a party that seems so pathetic?

[arista]

"that is not the case at all."


How would you know?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"that is not the case at all."


How would you know?

Simple,There is not a single front bench MP of the Labour party that has come forward and said in any form whatsoever that they want Ed Miliband to go.

You only have the stories of the press with their likely inventions as to stories and their 'anonymous' sources.
None of whom have even been named by the press either to force them out in the open.
Therefore,I can easily accept that none of the Shadow cabinet or the bulk of Labour MPs want a change of leader at this time.

It was quoted in a certain rag of a paper that both Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper,(Ed Ball's wife),had signified they would put themselves forward for the leadership.
Both called the report total nonsense,both said it was pure fiction on the particular paper's part.
The paper has never come back on that so clearly Andy and Yvette were correct. nothing of any substance just rubbish reporting and inventing of storylines.

I talk to people in the Labour party every day rather than the trashy press,as I do to some in other parties too and that is how I believe I can say I know.
It is also how I know 100% that no way will Ed Miliband not be leader in the election of 2015.
Despite what others may hope to see come about.

I also for one will be out with hoards of others battling for Labour and Ed Miliband all through the election campaign,every vote fought for and I think and hope there will be a good positive result.

Whatever happens,Labour majority govt. a Labour led coalition or a Labour minority govt. as long as this rotten heartless shower are turfed out of power, all will be good in my eyes.
Whatever else may happen, that is what I believe will happen too, this lot out and well out too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Simple,There is not a single front bench MP of the Labour party that has come forward and said in any form whatsoever that they want Ed Miliband to go.

You only have the stories of the press with their likely inventions as to stories and their 'anonymous' sources.
None of whom have even been named by the press either to force them out in the open.
Therefore,I can easily accept that none of the Shadow cabinet or the bulk of Labour MPs want a change of leader at this time.

It was quoted in a certain rag of a paper that both Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper,(Ed Ball's wife),had signified they would put themselves forward for the leadership.
Both called the report total nonsense,both said it was pure fiction on the particular papers part.
The paper has never come back on that so clearly Andy and Yvette were correct. nothing of any substance just rubbish reporting and inventing of storylines.

I talk to people in the Labour party every day rather than the trashy press,as I do to some in other parties too and that is how I belive I can say I know.
It is also how I know 100% that no way will Ed Miliband not be leader in the election of 2015.
Despite what others may hope to see come about.

I also for one will be out with hoards of others battling for Labour and Ed Miliband all through the election campaign,every vote fought for and I think and hope there will be a good positive result.

Whatever happens,Labour majority govt. a Labour led coalition or a Labour minority govt. as long as this rotten heartless shower are turfed out of power, all will be good in my eyes.
Whatever else may happen, that is what I belive will happen too, this lot out and well out too.

[arista]

"that has come forward"

Of Course


But many months to go Lad



Also ITN, BBC and SkyNews Reporters have spoken
direct to Labour MP's
and they are waiting for their moment.


Thats not made up

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"that has come forward"

Of Course


But many months to go Lad



Also ITN, BBC and SkyNews Reporters have spoken
direct to Labour MP's
and they are waiting for their moment.


Thats not made up

I feel fairly sure that someone as politically astute as you are arista,with your deep and great knowledge of elections and your own observances of politics, know also that there will be no change of leader of any party now before the 2015 election.

After that election now, there could well be at least 2 changes of Leader pretty quick too depending on the result.