[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No you're wrong, end of story really, your opinion on this matter is vile and actually rather worrying.

Why is it worrying? Because I'm not some prude that takes a drunken guys antics so seriously when he thought that him and Joel was having a laugh together?

[Tom4784]

Mock, stop playing up to this character that you think people like. Nobody is laughing, nobody is entertained.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Why is it worrying? Because I'm not some prude that takes a drunken guys antics so seriously when he thought that him and Joel was having a laugh together?

No that you think a man rubbing his naked body up against someone who was clearly uncomfortable after he had been told multiple times to stop, that's what is worrying.. And the fact that you backed up your opinion by stating that you supported Jeremy in the whole debacle of CBB15 as well, that's what is worrying, it's not clever and it's not smart to victim blame, it's horrid and pathetic.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MB.

...I don't think that's helping much...

The end part of that paragraph was to lead into my sarcastic part of that post.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Mock, stop playing up to this character that you think people like. Nobody is laughing, nobody is entertained.

Okay Dezzy.

If you can't handle different opinions like a grown-up then I'll come back on later as I'm hugary anyway and can't be bothered to keep arguing over a scripted event on a scripted Reality Show.

We're all just falling for what Ch5 wants here by discussing it.

[Amy Jade]

Wow at the nastiness towards Mock just for not pandering to common opinion.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Okay Dezzy.

If you can't handle different opinions like a grown-up then I'll come back on later as I'm hugary anyway and can't be bothered to keep arguing over a scripted event on a scripted Reality Show.

We're all just falling for what Ch5 wants here by discussing it.

It's not a matter of opinion, it was pretty much a sexual assault. If you can't see what's wrong with what Aaron did tonight then every adult in your life has failed you.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not a matter of opinion, it was pretty much a sexual assault. If you can't see what's wrong with what Aaron did tonight then every adult in your life has failed you.

My opinion is that it wasn't a sexual assault. I am entitled to hold that opinion too.

If it was a sexual assault then the police would be involved. Joel admitted today that he wanted aaron to come back and feels responsible for him leaving.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not a matter of opinion, it was pretty much a sexual assault. If you can't see what's wrong with what Aaron did tonight then every adult in your life has failed you.

That's a really rude nasty thing to say dezzy, I happen to agree that Aaron should still be in there and a warning would suffice. My parents didn't fail me I rationalised the situation.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

My opinion is that it wasn't a sexual assault. I am entitled to hold that opinion too.

If it was a sexual assault then the police would be involved. Joel admitted today that he wanted aaron to come back and feels responsible for him leaving.

And I'm entitled to think that your opinion is rubbish.

Aaron flashed him multiple times, he invaded Joel's personal space, he got into bed with him naked all while Joel was making it abundantly clear that he didn't want any of it. Sounds like a sexual assault to me.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And I'm entitled to think that your opinion is rubbish.

Aaron flashed him multiple times, he invaded Joel's personal space, he got into bed with him naked all while Joel was making it abundantly clear that he didn't want any of it. Sounds like a sexual assault to me.

And I am entitled to think your opinion is rubbish. And what's more, I can do it without claiming the adults in your life have failed you. I can get my opinion over without hurling insults.

So if it is a sexual assault then why aren't the police involved? Why has joel said he feels responsible for aaron leaving and wants him back?

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Aaron flashed him multiple times

Which resulted in Joel and everyone else laughing.

he invaded Joel's personal space, he got into bed with him naked all while Joel was making it abundantly clear that he didn't want any of it. Sounds like a sexual assault to me.

Sounds like a drunken idiot who has been playfully flirting with Joel for 2 and half weeks getting a bit carried away. It was right to call him to the diary room and to tell him to stop and it was right for Aaron to apologize. It didn't need to go any further than that. To refer to it as a "sexual assault" is to be so lacking in perspective I find it amusing.

[Rob!]

Yeah, it's a shame because it was just drunken messing around that went too far, but if a man had done that to a woman, the same would and should have happened. Hopefully it teaches Aaron a valuable lesson about boundaries.
People saying Joel did nothing to discourage it need to remember that he had the rest of the house, including the people he's close to, laughing and encouraging Aaron and sometimes in a situation like that, the easiest thing to do is try and laugh with it.

[Tom4784]

People wouldn't be so quick to defend Aaron if Joel was a girl. I'm guessing the truth of the matter is that people think that Joel's gay and that somehow makes what Aaron did okay. Joel was nervously laughing because he was wildly uncomfortable, laughter is not consent, especially when Joel made it clear that he wanted Aaron to stop.

[Chero]

I think that Big Brother should have given a warning, but that they should have given him a warning last week. I defo think Aaron deserved to go. His whole attitude towards Joel for days has been very provocative. Joel has clearly been uncomfortable with it all along. It definitely stepped over the line. Is it only me that was appalled at the housemates going on and on egging Joel to kiss Aaron, even though Joel made it clear he was uncomfortable with it? Maybe that would have been a good point for BB to throw in a warning.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Yeah, it's a shame because it was just drunken messing around that went too far, but if a man had done that to a woman, the same would and should have happened. Hopefully it teaches Aaron a valuable lesson about boundaries.

Joel isn't a woman. and men and women are different.

People saying Joel did nothing to discourage it need to remember that he had the rest of the house, including the people he's close to, laughing and encouraging Aaron and sometimes in a situation like that, the easiest thing to do is try and laugh with it.

Yes, we understand he was uncomfortable. But it was over with the moment BB intervened and that should have been that apart from maybe a warning.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People wouldn't be so quick to defend Aaron if Joel was a girl.

Yes, but Joel isn't a girl, so so what?

I'm guessing the truth of the matter is that people think that Joel's gay and that somehow makes what Aaron did okay.

Has anyone said that?

Joel was nervously laughing because he was wildly uncomfortable, laughter is not consent, especially when Joel made it clear that he wanted Aaron to stop.

There were times when he was genuinely amused. Nobody disagrees that Aaron was going over the top, but to kick him out for it was ridiculous.

[T*]

oh my god what is happening here

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People wouldn't be so quick to defend Aaron if Joel was a girl. I'm guessing the truth of the matter is that people think that Joel's gay and that somehow makes what Aaron did okay. Joel was nervously laughing because he was wildly uncomfortable, laughter is not consent, especially when Joel made it clear that he wanted Aaron to stop.

Joel never made it clear that he wanted him to stop. He laughed along, threw pillows at aaron and chased after aaron pretending to kick him. If I was being "sexually assaulted" then I would be running away from the assailant, not towards him.

The reason aaron carried on was because joel didn't give him any real indication that he was unhappy with it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People wouldn't be so quick to defend Aaron if Joel was a girl. I'm guessing the truth of the matter is that people think that Joel's gay and that somehow makes what Aaron did okay. Joel was nervously laughing because he was wildly uncomfortable, laughter is not consent, especially when Joel made it clear that he wanted Aaron to stop.

Guess again, you can project any hypothetical scenario you like, I'm reacting to the situation as it is and as I saw it.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Třm

oh my god what is happening here

People are defending one mans right to sexually assault others if he was "only 'avain a laugh"

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Withano

People are defending one mans right to sexually assault others if he "was only 'avain a laugh"

You really believe that Joel was sexually assaulted?

Joel appears to not agree with you. He hasn't made a police complaint and he says he feels responsible for aaron leaving.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Joel isn't a woman. and men and women are different.

Considering how much you hate the show I'm frankly amazed you're still here to give such an idiotic opinion. Maybe live feed would have made me see a borderline sexual assault differently. Those editors

[Withano]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

You really believe that Joel was sexually assaulted?

Joel appears to not agree with you. He hasn't made a police complaint and he says he feels responsible for aaron leaving.

Sexual assault.. As in without consent.. Yes? That's hard to disagree with by anybody's standards

[Withano]

What I find most astonishing about this thread is that people think that their own opinions are more important than Joel's.

Bottom line is: if the victim was made uncomfortable, then the persecutor was in the wrong.

Joel made it crystal ****ing clear that the advances were unwelcome and the line is not up for anybody but Joel to determine.