[Crimson Dynamo]

Even The DM newspaper yesterday said the DC had NOT made a case for bombing Syria!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

MOST of them are NOT Corbyn's MP's - as will eventually become transparent come 'the ides of March' and that 'Et tu Brute?' moment which we are all looking forward to.

Yes that's what all Labour voters want their MP dancing to Camerons tune.

[DemolitionRed]

Cameron is under no obligation to seek a vote from parliament. He could find himself facing political retribution if he didn't, but its not a legal requirement. In my opinion this is one thing Cameron is getting right.

Back in 2013 after the chemical attack in Damascus, Obama asked Britain to get involved in air strikes in Syria. Cameron took this vote to parliament just like he's doing now and parliament voted an almost unanimous 'NO'

[arista]

Corbyn: Only I Will Decide On Syria Vote

Former Labour frontbencher Chuka Umunna tells Sky News he will back military action even if it means defying his party.


this morning on BBC Marr

http://news.sky.com/story/1596477/co...-on-syria-vote

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Even The DM newspaper yesterday said the DC had NOT made a case for bombing Syria!

Yes because that 70,000 number of troops
are Not United.

so that number is well wrong

[Kazanne]

Why don't all of us that want to bomb ISIS,just all get in safety bunkers and let Corbyn and his followers nip and have a friendly word with ISIS,have a cuppa and problem solved !!! I think not these vermin need wiping out,treat like for like.

[arista]

But there are to many to Kill

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why don't all of us that want to bomb ISIS,just all get in safety bunkers and let Corbyn and his followers nip and have a friendly word with ISIS,have a cuppa and problem solved !!! I think not these vermin need wiping out,treat like for like.

Because there are presently up to 80 different terrorists groups in Syria and ISIS are spread out and hidden amongst them. Even if we turn Syria into dust, ISIS will sit it out in Saudi, their protectorate and resurface at some point in the future.

The bombing of Syria is exactly what ISIS have been enticing us to do.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why don't all of us that want to bomb ISIS,just all get in safety bunkers and let Corbyn and his followers nip and have a friendly word with ISIS,have a cuppa and problem solved !!! I think not these vermin need wiping out,treat like for like.

I agree Kaz - but what should we do about ISIS?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Because there are presently up to 80 different terrorists groups in Syria and ISIS are spread out and hidden amongst them. Even if we turn Syria into dust, ISIS will sit it out in Saudi, their protectorate and resurface at some point in the future.

The bombing of Syria is exactly what ISIS have been enticing us to do.

It is indeed,I have thought long and hard on this issue this weekend and although depending on what the PM says this week, and he needs to say a whole load more that is sounder and better than he did last week, while I could support the motion, I am heading fast to the thinking maybe we should not get involved but give support other ways.

I want to see this scum exterminated from the earth as much as anyone else but am not hearing much that is convincing from the PM.
His ridiculous statement of 70,000 moderates in the area fighting IS almost comes into a par with Blair's 45 minute nonsense.

Even Camerons own MPs scoffed at that statement from him.
Easy to be a armchair critic of Corbyn and those against the action, most that are will not be the ones sent to probably lose their lives again in the Middle east however.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes that's what all Labour voters want their MP dancing to Camerons tune.

Not at all - But I'd wager a guess that MOST Labour voters WOULD like their so-called party leader to at LEAST be singing from the SAME HYMN SHEET.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Corbyn: Only I Will Decide On Syria Vote

Former Labour frontbencher Chuka Umunna tells Sky News he will back military action even if it means defying his party.


this morning on BBC Marr

http://news.sky.com/story/1596477/co...-on-syria-vote

What did I say - the ides of March approaches - 'Et Tu Chuka?'

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I agree Kaz - but what should we do about ISIS?

Put arsenic in theirs

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Corbyn: Only I Will Decide On Syria Vote

Former Labour frontbencher Chuka Umunna tells Sky News he will back military action even if it means defying his party.


this morning on BBC Marr

http://news.sky.com/story/1596477/co...-on-syria-vote

Well there's a surprise,I think not.
Chukka Umunna will back the action, wow, this from the man who couldn't face media intrusion into his time as a Labour leadership contender,and ran off from it.
Where has he found courage from all of a sudden.

Oh of course, it isn't him that would have to go there.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Not at all - But I'd wager a guess that MOST Labour voters WOULD like their so-called party leader to at LEAST be singing from the SAME HYMN SHEET.

That wasn't the point I raised... I asked why Cameron was attempting to cajole Labour MPs.

It is a VERY important issue, he has his personal principles and is as entitled to them as every one of his MPs.
There is nothing in either parties manifesto about bombing so where has this hymn sheet come from?
If the ayes have it then so be it, if not we stay put.

[bots]

Cameron is attempting to get a consensus, I can't disagree with that approach. There is a good reason for asking how everyone is voting as he stated he would not hold a vote if it looked like being no as that would give propaganda to ISIS. Really, the guy can't win. He could say **** it, and bomb syria without any permission. I applaud him for this approach if for nothing else.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Cameron is attempting to get a consensus, I can't disagree with that approach. There is a good reason for asking how everyone is voting as he stated he would not hold a vote if it looked like being no as that would give propaganda to ISIS. Really, the guy can't win. He could say **** it, and bomb syria without any permission. I applaud him for this approach if for nothing else.

You have to ask yourself how democratic that is only voting on a foregone conclusion :/

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You have to ask yourself how democratic that is only voting on a foregone conclusion :/

its not a foregone conclusion though is it. If the consensus is No, we won't be taking action in Syria

[Kizzy]

Only one way to find out for certain, hold the vote.

[smudgie]

No problem with Mr Corbyn no voting for the bombing, that is his personal choice.
However the rest should be free to vote with their conscience.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

No problem with Mr Corbyn no voting for the bombing, that is his personal choice.
However the rest should be free to vote with their conscience.

Yes without CCHQ interference.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Only one way to find out for certain, hold the vote.

So you would like ISIS to use that no vote as an indication of British support for ISIS? because thats what they will do, hence the decision not to vote if the outcome will be No.

The status quo at the moment is we dont attack Syria, nothing is needed unless that decision is to change

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So you would like ISIS to use that no vote as an indication of British support for ISIS? because thats what they will do, hence the decision not to vote if the outcome will be No.

The status quo at the moment is we dont attack Syria, nothing is needed unless that decision is to change

Is that what dave told you? Come on let's not be led by the nose.

We have a house of commons to vote democratically on all issues big and small.
Suggesting that ISIS are on pins anticipating the outcome of a British vote before deciding their next move is ridiculous.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is that what dave told you? Come on let's not be led by the nose.

We have a house of commons to vote democratically on all issues big and small.
Suggesting that ISIS are on pins anticipating the outcome of a British vote before deciding their next move is ridiculous.

it really doesn't seem to matter a damn what Cameron does, you will pick fault. He should just go and blow the ****ers up, give you something to moan about properly

[Kizzy]

'It is odd listening to our politicians talking portentously about the heavy responsibility they bear in deciding whether Britain should “go to war” in Syria. The sad fact of the matter is that, to all intents and purposes, Britain is already at war in both Syria and Iraq and has been for at least a year.

The current intense debate about whether to step up our involvement by joining the US and France in the aerial bombing of Islamic State terrorists in Syria has been fuelled by the dreadful Paris attacks and fears that something similar may happen here. But as they grapple with their consciences, some of the leading parliamentary participants in this debate exhibit an inexplicable forgetfulness about what they have previously agreed and an inability to recognise what is actually happening, almost daily, in the world beyond Westminster.

Following hard on a series of Isis advances and atrocities, MPs decided on 26 September last year, without much fuss, to support British air strikes in Iraq. All the main party leaderships concurred. The vote in favour was overwhelming – 524-43. Since then, RAF Tornados have conducted hundreds of attacks and sorties.'

Hey it's not just me :/

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ilitary-action