[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didn't realise the Portuguese were such an ignorant bunch, if they think the English party what do they think of the Irish

er have they met any scottish folk?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

er have they met any scottish folk?

maybe they think drugging children stops at the border

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

It was Kate who refused to answer he 48 police questions, then went on the call the Ltd Co they set up within DAYS (wasn't expecting her back ?) No Stone Unturned

I find them both equally furtive ,I also find him cocky ,gobby and smug,but they do say it's the quiet ones you have to watch

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I find them both equally furtive ,I also find him cocky ,gobby and smug,but they do say it's the quiet ones you have to watch

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That LK one underneath can take a long run off a short pier LT.

[Kizzy]

Lorraine would never leave her wee bairns alone

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That LK one underneath can take a long run off a short pier LT.

Lorraine is up their arses !! hate the woman

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lorraine would never leave her wee bairns alone

She's only got one and she is grown up ,which begs the question why does LK have every school holiday off,which would be ok as she irritates the **** out of me,but they replace her with the equally annoying Fiona Phillips

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lorraine would never leave her wee bairns alone

Can't stand her either false mare,

[Kizzy]

Aw she seems really friendly, might just be her accent though

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Aw she seems really friendly, might just be her accent though

she is friendly Kizzy

Spoiler:

to your face

[Vicky.]

Seems to be a real award..not mention of Kate or Coral though oddly

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/m...missing-people

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didn't realise the Portuguese were such an ignorant bunch, if they think the English party what do they think of the Irish

It's just a stereotype about British people on holiday.

When I say I'm Irish they usually ask if I was affected by the IRA or religious disagreements. I'm from the south west so was never affected by that stuff, they usually don't ask about anything else except maybe the weather.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

It's just a stereotype about British people on holiday.

When I say I'm Irish they usually ask if I was affected by the IRA or religious disagreements. I'm from the south west so was never affected by that stuff, they usually don't ask about anything else except maybe the weather.

Stereotyping of any kind is ignorant though wouldn't you agree?

[user104658]

Like I said before: as utterly effing mental as it may seem to most people (I would hope)... British parents doping their kids with over-the-counter meds intended for adults (usually antihistamines) so that they'll sleep and / or be quiet **is** common. A massive argument over it, and the "ill feeling" between hundreds of members that followed, is a large part of what triggered our own website shutting down about 3 years ago.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Like I said before: as utterly effing mental as it may seem to most people (I would hope)... British parents doping their kids with over-the-counter meds intended for adults (usually antihistamines) so that they'll sleep and / or be quiet **is** common. A massive argument over it, and the "ill feeling" between hundreds of members that followed, is a large part of what triggered our own website shutting down about 3 years ago.

It's so disgusting to contemplate, some people don't deserve to have kids

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope the Queen recogniseses the work that she does

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I hope the Queen recogniseses the work that she does

Doubtful

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I hope the Queen recogniseses the work that she does

Does she do a lot for lost corgi's?

[Amy Jade]

I read the Katie Hopkins article and I have to say she does make a lot of sense, I have always felt sorry for the McCanns and still do feel sorry but it's hard to have as much sympathy as I did before after reading Katie's opinions.

I have to say though I don't really understand anyone who just leaves their kids alone - when I look after my cousins son and take him to the shop I literally watch him like a hawk and he's 5, luckily he's not the sort to run off but I don't let him out of my sight at all so I really don't understand how patents leave their kids run around supermarkets alone or leave them outside a shop while they run inside as much as leaving them asleep while you leave the house

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Seems to be a real award..not mention of Kate or Coral though oddly

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/m...missing-people

2 x different awards Vicky

[LFredz]

Bit of a disgrace imo.

[Livia]

Lots of people leave their kids alone, even if it's for a few minutes. They do other stupid, endangering stuff too. My brother, when his first daughter was little, was playing with her and threw her up in the air and hit her head on the ceiling. Is he an abusive parent? No... he was beside himself with remorse and guilt for his stupidity. Luckily she was fine and he didn't have to have strangers tell him what a bad parent he is for the rest of his life. It was stupid what the McCanns did, but it's what thousands holidaymakers do every year and no one on here can argue with that, although no doubt some of you will try. Sadly, on top of having her child taken and not knowing what happened to her, some people find some kind of sick joy is sticking it to the McCanns when most of you know absolutely bugger all about the case except what you've read on the Internet.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lots of people leave their kids alone, even if it's for a few minutes. They do other stupid, endangering stuff too. My brother, when his first daughter was little, was playing with her and threw her up in the air and hit her head on the ceiling. Is he an abusive parent? No... he was beside himself with remorse and guilt for his stupidity. Luckily she was fine and he didn't have to have strangers tell him what a bad parent he is for the rest of his life. It was stupid what the McCanns did, but it's what thousands holidaymakers do every year and no one on here can argue with that, although no doubt some of you will try. Sadly, on top of having her child taken and not knowing what happened to her, some people find some kind of sick joy is sticking it to the McCanns when most of you know absolutely bugger all about the case except what you've read on the Internet.

I really agree with this. Like, taking the case on face value, without considering any conspiracies etc and just looking at what we know (or probably more importantly, ignoring what we don't know) and so assuming that they had nothing to do with it, it is a situation that could have happened to any number of people. And that's not to justify that they left her alone, personally I think they never should have done that, and it's great in a way that so many people find it shocking that they did, but it can't be denied that a lot of parents do it. And a lot of parents will have done it the same night that Maddie went missing. So as much as it can be argued that 'it's all their own fault' because of their actions, it's also a fair argument that they were incredibly unlucky. Luck has to come into it for the simple reason that their child was taken, rather than someone elses.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lots of people leave their kids alone, even if it's for a few minutes. They do other stupid, endangering stuff too. My brother, when his first daughter was little, was playing with her and threw her up in the air and hit her head on the ceiling. Is he an abusive parent? No... he was beside himself with remorse and guilt for his stupidity. Luckily she was fine and he didn't have to have strangers tell him what a bad parent he is for the rest of his life. It was stupid what the McCanns did, but it's what thousands holidaymakers do every year and no one on here can argue with that, although no doubt some of you will try. Sadly, on top of having her child taken and not knowing what happened to her, some people find some kind of sick joy is sticking it to the McCanns when most of you know absolutely bugger all about the case except what you've read on the Internet.

I can see your point but ultimately I can't bring myself to agree with you; most people's stupid mistakes don't result in a missing child, a media storm, lawsuits, being uncooperative with the police, fundraising etc - these things are accountable, when they involve the public, especially on the fundraising front. I think it's a huge stretch to compare accidentally injuring your child when you're having a bit of fun with choosing to leave your children in an unlocked apartment while you go out for dinner, those are not similar scenarios, your brother didn't leave his child and came back to find her injured.

I've not seen a mass of people come out and say that they would do what the McCanns did on their holiday. I've seen people sympathise with them for their loss, I've seen people sympathise with them for making a foolish decision like that, but I've not seen people say "yeah don't worry about it I'd have done the same" - it IS stupid to leave your kids in an unlocked apartment while you go out for dinner. Would they have done that at home? I doubt it. Holiday mode madness set in. But when there were numerous options available to them, it seems maddeningly stupid. I don't agree that thousands of holidaymakers would do the same thing as them, certainly not now that this high profile case is so well known to the public - would you want to be the couple who made the same mistake as the McCanns after a decade of seeing them be vilified in the press and having no answers to where their daughter went? Nobody has anywhere near this level of vitriol for the parents of Sarah Payne, April Jones, Holly Wells, Jessica Chapman, Ben Needham, Milly Dowler... the cold lack of emotion is a factor, and so is the lack of cooperation with the police, and so is the lack of admission of guilt on their behalf (I presume because they don't want a lawsuit/court case)... that's the difference for me.

And the other thing that's always bothered me, of course, is why would a kidnapper take the toddler and not take the babies too, if they'd been planning on taking her and had been watching the property? There are far too many holes in the hypothesis for it to make any sense. I can't figure out their motivations, but it's certainly not all about finding their daughter, they've not done everything they can to do that and I find that abhorrent and I think that makes them fully accountable to the public and they deserve to be scrutinised and have people doubt their claims, because they've not done everything in their power to convince anyone otherwise. They can sue me if they want to.