[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

OMG that thing that needed a wallpaper scraper to get off her fake tan! the oompah loompah! lol

I still have nightmares about that lol

Why call her a thing ? and oompah loompa ? she actually turned out to be a nice girl as much as I judged her when she first went in, maybe you are tanophobic

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I read it ,you only found the C bomb too much, keep up have you been watching it? his breathing is too much.

I do so hate it when people's only response to my opinion is 'do you watch?' it gets old

anyway moving swiftly on really hope you enjoy the show tonight got all snacks etc in? who do you want out the most? (1st 2 I can guess) lol

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why call her a thing ? and oompah loompa ? she actually turned out to be a nice girl as much as I judged her when she first went in, maybe you are tanophobic

LOL Tanophobic lol yes I think I might be .. I may need to start a 'when tanning goes to far support group' lol sponsored by Dulux white paint

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

You sound like you have a phobia of majority's? It's ok if you have, because people can't help having phobias.

Maybe you should address your own phobia before lecturing others on theirs?

That doesn't exist, Alfie.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

To be fair, Shandrew has made me homophobic

Thanks for that comment. As a Gay man, now aged 64, who has had to go through my young adulthood in the closet because of 'homophobes', it saddens me just how many people are (a) accepting of an out and out bigot and homophobe, i.e. Ann; and (b) are willing to identify themselves as 'homophobic'.

I wonder if you have any concept of just how bad it was being treated as a second class citizen. The prudity and simmering homophobia of this current generation really does frighten me.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Thanks for that comment. As a Gay man, now aged 64, who has had to go through my young adulthood in the closet because of 'homophobes', it saddens me just how many people are (a) accepting of an out and out bigot and homophobe, i.e. Ann; and (b) are willing to identify themselves as 'homophobic'.

I wonder if you have any concept of just how bad it was being treated as a second class citizen. The prudity and simmering homophobia of this current generation really does frighten me.

Well you must be pleased that the sands of opinion have shifted and now there seems to be an about turn on homophobia sometimes to the extent of a witch Hunt as in the John Barnes debacle.

Gays are not the only second class citizens in this world, women have been in the past, ageism is rife especially in younger generations, immigration etc etc, many other groups so please do not class yourself as the only victims. Yes, they do have a concept too.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Well you must be pleased that the sands of opinion have shifted and now there seems to be an about turn on homophobia sometimes to the extent of a witch Hunt as in the John Barnes debacle.

Gays are not the only second class citizens in this world, women have been in the past, ageism is rife especially in younger generations, immigration etc etc, many other groups so please do not class yourself as the only victims. Yes, they do have a concept too.

Nowhere have I said I believe LGBT rights to be the only victims? We are but one of many when it comes to equality. As this all stems from Ann's bigotry and homophobia towards Andrew and Courtney naturally that's why I made my comments against it.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Nowhere have I said I believe LGBT rights to be the only victims? We are but one of many when it comes to equality. As this all stems from Ann's bigotry and homophobia towards Andrew and Courtney naturally that's why I made my comments against it.

Again, you are the very definition of a bigot:

bigot


/ˈbɪɡət/


noun

noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots




a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"


synonyms: dogmatist, partisan, sectarian, prejudiced person; More

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Again, you are the very definition of a bigot:

bigot


/ˈbɪɡət/


noun

noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots




a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"


synonyms: dogmatist, partisan, sectarian, prejudiced person; More

Well, if I am to be labelled a 'bigot' for calling Ann out on her vile views of Gay people; For having voted in Parliament at every opportunity against any LGBT rights in England and Wales; for trying to deny my right to equal marriage; for denying a woman's right to have an abortion; for happily ensuring that women prisoners giving birth be chained to their beds when she was Prisons Minister; then bring it on. I'll happily wear that 'bigot' label for you!

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Nowhere have I said I believe LGBT rights to be the only victims? We are but one of many when it comes to equality. As this all stems from Ann's bigotry and homophobia towards Andrew and Courtney naturally that's why I made my comments against it.

Yet Ann has been called just as many revolting things on here or are you missing them out.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That doesn't exist, Alfie.

Yes it does.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Well, if I am to be labelled a 'bigot' for calling Ann out on her vile views of Gay people; For having voted in Parliament at every opportunity against any LGBT rights in England and Wales; for trying to deny my right to equal marriage; for denying a woman's right to have an abortion; for happily ensuring that women prisoners giving birth be chained to their beds when she was Prisons Minister; then bring it on. I'll happily wear that 'bigot' label for you!

Grand so.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Yet Ann has been just as many revolting things on here or are you missing them out.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

1. Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields.

2. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

1. Christophobia very much exists. Approx 3000 christians were killed for their faith, in 2017 alone.

This is very real and equally as serious as any other type of persecution.



2. "A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority."

Discrimination is discrimination.
No matter what the population 'majority/minority' statistics are.
You don't hurt any more or less, according to the number of people in the area who fit your 'type'.

To say that one group of people can be victims and another group can't be victims - that is discriminating in itself.

Who decides these 'groups' anyway?

We are all individuals, with our individual experiences.
We are all a minority - of one.
And as individuals, we stand equal. That's the whole point of equality, a level playing field of individuals.

It's not equality when you start to segregate people off into groups or 'types', and then 'rate' those 'types' according to your world view: putting one 'type' above the other.
It's exactly what racists do: see people not as individuals, but as 'types' and then rate them according to their world view.
We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap of segregating and judging people by our own stereotypical 'types', even if we do mean well.

The individuals of the majority have the same equal rights as the individuals of the minority - or what's the point?

.

[Marsh.]

Apparently, she can get away with it because she's old and because she's religious.

Two things that apparently mean you can be bigoted and not have to be called out on it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

1. Christophobia very much exists. Approx 3000 christians were killed for their faith, in 2017 alone.

This is very real and equally as serious as any other type of persecution.



2. "A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority."

Discrimination is discrimination.
No matter what the population 'majority/minority' statistics are.
You don't hurt any more or less, according to the number of people in the area who fit your 'type'.

To say that one group of people can be victims and another group can't be victims - that is discriminating in itself.

Who decides these 'groups' anyway?

We are all individuals, with our individual experiences.
We are all a minority - of one.
And as individuals, we stand equal. That's the whole point of equality, a level playing field of individuals.

It's not equality when you start to segregate people off into groups or 'types', and then 'rate' those 'types' according to your world view: putting one 'type' above the other.
It's exactly what racists do: see people not as individuals, but as 'types' and then rate them according to their world view.
We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap of segregating and judging people by our own stereotypical 'types', even if we do mean well.

The individuals of the majority have the same equal rights as the individuals of the minority - or what's the point?

.

Once again an excellent comment

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Apparently, she can get away with it because she's old and because she's religious.

Two things that apparently mean you can be bigoted and not have to be called out on it.

tea

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Again, you are the very definition of a bigot:

bigot


/ˈbɪɡət/


noun

noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots




a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"


synonyms: dogmatist, partisan, sectarian, prejudiced person; More

Only "their cause" counts !

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

So maybe Withano was correct when he said that there could be a scale of homophobia.
My reason for asking about Christphobia was just an example.
It seems everything can be phobic nowadays so was wondering if that would be valid.
Perhaps the difference is one is a phobia and the other is an intolerance.
Live and let live I say, personally I can't see why anybody should be judged on their race or sexual preferences.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Obviously, you have.

Previous post amended.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Once again an excellent comment

cheers chuff

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

So maybe Withano was correct when he said that there could be a scale of homophobia.
My reason for asking about Christphobia was just an example.
It seems everything can be phobic nowadays so was wondering if that would be valid.
Perhaps the difference is one is a phobia and the other is an intolerance.
Live and let live I say, personally I can't see why anybody should be judged on their race or sexual preferences.

Or demand special treatment for their"cause"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Only "their cause" counts !

Only their cause is the topic of discussion.

Do you want him to list every problem in the world in this one thread specifically about one woman and her entire bigoted life and career?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Or demand special treatment for their"cause"

not sure I understand that Chuff.
The way is see it is people are just wanting to be treat as an equal, equality should be a right, not a cause.

[Cherie]

The thing most people seem to be ignoring is that Andrew is straight, so when Ann is commenting it is towards one gay and one straight person, if this was a gay couple I might have more sympathy, but it's a pretend romance