[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it would be nice if people talked about the housemates rather than about forum members

Show me where in the forum rules it states that members can't discuss other members.


Good attempt at going down the "discuss hm8s not members" route, though.

[Elliot]

Idk some people just don’t like it when you derail a discussion by getting personal and bitching about other members

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Idk some people just don’t like it when you derail a discussion by getting personal and bitching about other members

Getting personal?? So quite rightly stating that there's people on the forum who are constantly negative, is getting personal now?


Believe me, I'm the last person to start getting personal with someone.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by ShakeyJake10

He had in his mind that he wanted to come out in the show but I feel he wanted to do it towards the end to keep this story arc going a bit longer and Cian kind of brought it forward and ruined his idea do yeah a bit of a game plan yes

Yes, I would have to agree.
Shame as it was his storyline.

[Elliot]

Let’s all stick to discussing Cameron Cole and his coming out then instead of insisting that bbfan3030 is an awful person for having an opinion on a game show

[RileyH]

Everything about him just bugs the HELL out of me I can't help it

[user104658]

Until last night I'd have said yes as it seemed bizarre that he would think people don't already know; but last night he made it clear that he was aware that, obviously everyone already knows and it wasn't so much a coming out as the "big moment" of actually being able to SAY "yes, I'm gay" even though everyone already knew?

I dunno. In my experience of people coming out (which admittedly, isn't huge) it seems pretty rare that people surrounding them are actually shocked, most knew already or had a good idea, its literally just that moment of the person themself accepting it and choosing to actually live as a gay person / pursue relationships, which IS a big moment, rather than just knowing internally that they "like people of the same sex".

[bots]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Show me where in the forum rules it states that members can't discuss other members.


Good attempt at going down the "discuss hm8s not members" route, though.

the rules state:

Do not make generalised insults towards fans of housemates or contestants, in forum discussions about Big Brother or other TV shows.

[Jarrod]

I had this debate with someone on Twitter. Coming out is a weird thing to do, and everyone does it in a different way. Cameron told his family but didn't have much time between telling his family and going into hiding for the launch.

Yes, he wasn't very subtle about it throughout but when you're in an environment like Big Brother everything is heightened anyway and therefore probably affected how he wanted to do things. I don't doubt that it's genuine and it's tough for someone to have to come to terms with, especially while in a game show like Big Brother.

I know how tough it is to actually be able to say it out loud in the first place, which is why he asked Lewis to ask him a yes or no question, and I think that's just another step in being able to comfortably be himself. I think what we've seen from him so far has been a bit of inner struggle and that he's been battling on whether to actually say it or not, so hopefully now he can calm down and enjoy his time in there a bit more.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Let’s all stick to discussing Cameron Cole and his coming out then instead of insisting that bbfan3030 is an awful person for having an opinion on a game show

Was anyone doing this?

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the rules state:

Do not make generalised insults towards fans of housemates or contestants, in forum discussions about Big Brother or other TV shows.

Saying someone is negative is hardly an insult lol. If you get offended by that, then it says more about you than it does the person saying it.

Anyway, lets not with the mini modding, and let the actual mods decide whether something is against the forum rules or not.

[Jarrod]

Reading back - why is it so hard for this forum to just stick to a bloody topic without going onto an argument

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Jarrod

Reading back - why is it so hard for this forum to just stick to a bloody topic without going onto an argument

The negativity thing does stem from this topic tbf

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

To add to this, I understand coming out can be difficult for some people to pluck up the courage. Still though, myself and I assume most other people would find it a lot easier to come out to strangers than people you already know. Which just makes this seem even fishier.

Sorry, just not BUYING what she’s selling.

I can only speak from experience, but I still find it difficult to say to someone that I’m gay, I’ve been out for 7 years and have had pretty much all positivity, but I still get scared telling people, if they’re strangers or not.

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Saying them words were NOT easy

Yep, totally agree

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

I don’t get the ‘HE IS ONLY 18!!!!’ part. I’m not saying everyone has to be like me, but I came out at 13 I don’t get why it is such a huge deal at the end of the day. He is the EXACT same age as me. His family is obviously very accepting, the whole house has been accepting of Cian/Tomasz. I don’t really see what is holding him back but then again I’m not him. Just when loads of things add up... it doesn’t all ring true to form.

I may be gullible, but the way I see it is that his parents know, but he didn’t have time to tell others and he thought he could last the time in the house without saying it.

I may be seeing things differently though, cos I’m not paying much attention to the show as it’s pretty crap this series and highly inferior to The Circle so I watch BB on record

Originally Posted by Jarrod

I had this debate with someone on Twitter. Coming out is a weird thing to do, and everyone does it in a different way. Cameron told his family but didn't have much time between telling his family and going into hiding for the launch.

Yes, he wasn't very subtle about it throughout but when you're in an environment like Big Brother everything is heightened anyway and therefore probably affected how he wanted to do things. I don't doubt that it's genuine and it's tough for someone to have to come to terms with, especially while in a game show like Big Brother.

I know how tough it is to actually be able to say it out loud in the first place, which is why he asked Lewis to ask him a yes or no question, and I think that's just another step in being able to comfortably be himself. I think what we've seen from him so far has been a bit of inner struggle and that he's been battling on whether to actually say it or not, so hopefully now he can calm down and enjoy his time in there a bit more.

I pretty much agree with all of this.]

[Twosugars]

I'm of both opinions
Pleased for him admitting who he is but can't help feeling he overegged it.
I don't see anything wrong with him thinking a coming out could be used as a vote winner. Why not? People have been doing some sort of sympathy-getting revelations for as long as rtv exist.
But those heavy hints... everybody knew the moment he first opened his mouth about it. After that it was just annoying to watch as he strings it out for as long as possible.
And he should say the words! Not just "yes". A mate of mine made me do that and would not accept a yes, that's a cop out.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

And that was aimed at most of the people posting in this thread, who are a constant source of negativity on here.

If anything you are the one spreading negativity with topics like this calling forum members names and insinuating their presence on the forum drags it down in general for daring to have a different opinion than yourself.

[Matthew.]

I think it’s unfair for us to immediately go “That’s a gameplan” because like somebody else said, we don’t know what’s going through his head. And I say that as someone who doesn’t like Cameron

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

I think it’s unfair for us to immediately go “That’s a gameplan” because like somebody else said, we don’t know what’s going through his head. And I say that as someone who doesn’t like Cameron

Why is it not fair? Did he not put himself on the show? Im genuinely confused by people being so opposed to other people calling out a posdible game plan on a game show

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

If anything you are the one spreading negativity with topics like this calling forum members names and insinuating their presence on the forum drags it down in general for daring to have a different opinion than yourself.

Calling people names? What, cynical and negative?

Grow up.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Calling people names? What, cynical and negative?

Grow up.

It's genuinely laughable that you start a topic trying to put people down for questioning a housemates motivations and accusing them of making the forum a negative place while simultaneously talking down to people and getting personal.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

It's genuinely laughable that you start a topic trying to put people down for questioning a housemates motivations and accusing them of making the forum a negative place while simultaneously talking down to people and getting personal.

I'm simply defending myself

I don't know a single thing about you to get personal. I stated that there's members on here who are constantly negative and people got pissy about that and decided to throw in the whole "discuss housemates not members" spiel and saying that I was getting personal, which I wasn't. Did I start blubbering after being called gullible? No.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

It's genuinely laughable that you start a topic trying to put people down for questioning a housemates motivations and accusing them of making the forum a negative place while simultaneously talking down to people and getting personal.

Yeah I don't know why this has to turn into arguments , we don't all have to believe or like Cameron .

[Elliot]

Honestly my whole thing with Cameron is like he seems a very angry person, and as if he has a chip on his shoulder. Maybe this chip is his sexuality, it’s yet to be seen. He’ll go up in my estimations if he does a serious self evaluation and realises it’s not fair to take that type of anger out on someone innocent like akeem. Cam was one of my early favourite because initially I kinda related to him but he’s been nothing but antagonistic and self centred in that house. He turned the Kay situation into something about himself, he’s awful to akeem. Him coming out doesn’t change any of this unless he actually improves himself or his demeanour genuinely. He’s done things in the house to prove he’s not trustworthy and I think for a lot of people he has to earn their trust back

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Honestly my whole thing with Cameron is like he seems a very angry person, and as if he has a chip on his shoulder. Maybe this chip is his sexuality, it’s yet to be seen. He’ll go up in my estimations if he does a serious self evaluation and realises it’s not fair to take that type of anger out on someone innocent like akeem. Cam was one of my early favourite because initially I kinda related to him but he’s been nothing but antagonistic and self centred in that house. He turned the Kay situation into something about himself, he’s awful to akeem. Him coming out doesn’t change any of this unless he actually improves himself or his demeanour genuinely. He’s done things in the house to prove he’s not trustworthy and I think for a lot of people he has to earn their trust back

He's not earning my trust as I never trusted him and never will .

And I think he'll try the sympathy woe is me act for a while ,but he'll be as transparent as Tomasz as niether of them can keep up their new persona's .

[Glenn.]

If it is a game plan what’s the problem? It IS a game.