[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

He can feck right off.

We're meant to be against reducing people to their demographic traits and acting like they define them.

To be fair he's not saying "we don't want to heard from white men" but when you're operating in a limited time frame and you can't literally hear everyone's point of view, it's important to make sure you have a broad spectrum of perspectives, and a 5th middle class white bloke's POV is of limited utility when you already have the other 4. For example in my organisation (because full disclosure - it's full of middle class white folks) when I'm adding a perspective to a discussion I like to come at it from the angle of a parent/full time carer of a child with additional needs, because that's a perspective I can offer that others can't, rather than just another generic "working age male" perspective. The team already has that.

So yeah in short, I don't think there's anything wrong with seeking diverse perspectives. Demographic traits don't "define people" in their entirety but it would be foolish to try to claim that people have full understandings of other people's issues... to use my example again; a layperson's thoughts on the things that might affect the parent of a disabled child mean precisely jack **** to be completely blunt about it. And likewise it would be ludicrous for me to suggest that I can offer a full perspective on issues affecting an ethnic minority or a female.

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

He can feck right off.

We're meant to be against reducing people to their demographic traits and acting like they define them.

Yes a silly comment
Been sent around the World
now.

Labour Party Conference that is never ending in edits

[Crimson Dynamo]

They alose need to stop referring to people as comrades

outdated and fake

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

[arista]

Ex Leader backs the Scum word

[arista]

[Alf]

Well as long as they have this nonsense to talk about then they don't have to talk about what's happening in Australia.

Let's just say both parties are scum, and let's move on. This really isn't important, she's entitled to an opinion.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She can be effective can Rachel.
I've some respect for her myself.
Maybe her dreams could be better than the nightmares from Johnson.

Yes Popular,
is her saying get rid of Business Rates


Rachel Reeves Today

[Crimson Dynamo]

So she had been on the sauce it seems...

[Alf]

I say both parties are scum, what they gonna do about it, put my opinion on the news?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well as long as they have this nonsense to talk about then they don't have to talk about what's happening in Australia.

Let's just say both parties are scum, and let's move on. This really isn't important, she's entitled to an opinion.

No Alf
no one should call an MP
"Scum"



Thats gone around our World

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So she had been on the sauce it seems...

Yes Emily on Politics Live Ending
BBC2HD
saying the Drinks did not help.



Scum
easy to Shout out after some booze

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

I say both parties are scum, what they gonna do about it, put my opinion on the news?

Of course Alf
you can call them that,



But Not a Deputy Leader
using "Scum"
that stinks

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair he's not saying "we don't want to heard from white men" but when you're operating in a limited time frame and you can't literally hear everyone's point of view, it's important to make sure you have a broad spectrum of perspectives, and a 5th middle class white bloke's POV is of limited utility when you already have the other 4. For example in my organisation (because full disclosure - it's full of middle class white folks) when I'm adding a perspective to a discussion I like to come at it from the angle of a parent/full time carer of a child with additional needs, because that's a perspective I can offer that others can't, rather than just another generic "working age male" perspective. The team already has that.

So yeah in short, I don't think there's anything wrong with seeking diverse perspectives. Demographic traits don't "define people" in their entirety but it would be foolish to try to claim that people have full understandings of other people's issues... to use my example again; a layperson's thoughts on the things that might affect the parent of a disabled child mean precisely jack **** to be completely blunt about it. And likewise it would be ludicrous for me to suggest that I can offer a full perspective on issues affecting an ethnic minority or a female.

He is the Chairperson he can choose whose question he wants to take

He is more or less forcing people to put their hands up even though they may not want to

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Of course Alf
you can call them that,



But Not a Deputy Leader
using "Scum"
that stinks

But that deputy leader has equal freedoms to me, so why is it OK for me but not her.

I can’t even believe I'm having to defend Raynor here.

Even if it's not becoming of a deputy leader to say that. It's not the big story the media are making of it.

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair he's not saying "we don't want to heard from white men" but when you're operating in a limited time frame and you can't literally hear everyone's point of view, it's important to make sure you have a broad spectrum of perspectives, and a 5th middle class white bloke's POV is of limited utility when you already have the other 4. For example in my organisation (because full disclosure - it's full of middle class white folks) when I'm adding a perspective to a discussion I like to come at it from the angle of a parent/full time carer of a child with additional needs, because that's a perspective I can offer that others can't, rather than just another generic "working age male" perspective. The team already has that.

So yeah in short, I don't think there's anything wrong with seeking diverse perspectives. Demographic traits don't "define people" in their entirety but it would be foolish to try to claim that people have full understandings of other people's issues... to use my example again; a layperson's thoughts on the things that might affect the parent of a disabled child mean precisely jack **** to be completely blunt about it. And likewise it would be ludicrous for me to suggest that I can offer a full perspective on issues affecting an ethnic minority or a female.

I see your point but again it's about optics. He's handing the opportunity for people to clip it and share it round, making the party look bad.

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Youtube video

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I see your point but again it's about optics. He's handing the opportunity for people to clip it and share it round, making the party look bad.

If the aim is to win back the red wall, that won’t help

They are literally the gift that keeps on giving to the Tory’s currently

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If the aim is to win back the red wall, that won’t help

They are literally the gift that keeps on giving to the Tory’s currently

Well exactly

[Tom4784]

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