[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t for a second believe that it’s entirely about what drag queens wear, a queen could come out in a kaftan and balaclava and people would still find issues with it, it’s fully about not wanting drag queens to be accepted and integrated into general society and attempting to smear an entire demographic as something unsavoury and worthy of being hidden away

Couldn’t put it better myself. It’s very obvious from certain members. The same member in fact that’s made about three threads about drag queens this week.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Couldn’t put it better myself. It’s very obvious from certain members. The same member in fact that’s made about three threads about drag queens this week.

Actual members make threads

You should try it

it may stop the negativity 24/7

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Actual members make threads

You should try it

it may stop the negativity 24/7

I’m allowed to post anti drag stuff because it counts as contribution.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’m allowed to post anti drag stuff because it counts as contribution.

anti drag?

do you read what you post?

as TS said to you specifically

your obsession with culture war victory betrays your actual position as a member

be real and people will value your contributions here

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t for a second believe that it’s entirely about what drag queens wear, a queen could come out in a kaftan and balaclava and people would still find issues with it, it’s fully about not wanting drag queens to be accepted and integrated into general society and attempting to smear an entire demographic as something unsavoury and worthy of being hidden away

I find this one genuinely confusing I have to say. Loosely, I don't think there's anything wrong with drag. Some of it veers quite clearly into an uncomfortable level of misogyny BUT at it's core... it's an act, it's entertainment, and not everyone has to like or agree with a form of entertainment for it to be acceptable. In that sense, there's no issue with drag.

What's confusing me here is... drag, surely, IS just an activity? It's always been the case that drag is traditionally men (usually gay men) caricaturing/playing women in a very exaggerated and hyperbolic way. Sometimes sexualised, sometimes not, but that's not massively relevant in adult entertainment so whatever. My point is that it's an act, like being a singer or a comedian. It has little (if anything) to do with trans and TRADITIONALLY was not about gender identity - most drag queens have been quite clear on being gay males. Drag is something one does, not something one is.

So where does "accepted and integrated into general society" come into it? Being a drag queen isn't an "identity"? Have you ever heard someone talk about being "accepted and integrated" as a comedian, actor or singer?

If it's gone that way it's very recent and clearly all wrapped up in the also-very-recent obsession with "group identity" that's plaguing every corner of sociology.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I find this one genuinely confusing I have to say. Loosely, I don't think there's anything wrong with drag. Some of it veers quite clearly into an uncomfortable level of misogyny BUT at it's core... it's an act, it's entertainment, and not everyone has to like or agree with a form of entertainment for it to be acceptable. In that sense, there's no issue with drag.

What's confusing me here is... drag, surely, IS just an activity? It's always been the case that drag is traditionally men (usually gay men) caricaturing/playing women in a very exaggerated and hyperbolic way. Sometimes sexualised, sometimes not, but that's not massively relevant in adult entertainment so whatever. My point is that it's an act, like being a singer or a comedian. It has little (if anything) to do with trans and TRADITIONALLY was not about gender identity - most drag queens have been quite clear on being gay males. Drag is something one does, not something one is.

So where does "accepted and integrated into general society" come into it? Being a drag queen isn't an "identity"? Have you ever heard someone talk about being "accepted and integrated" as a comedian, actor or singer?

If it's gone that way it's very recent and clearly all wrapped up in the also-very-recent obsession with "group identity" that's plaguing every corner of sociology.

Even Rupaul came out and said something to that effect originally but he had to back track when the mob came for him

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/6...ew-controversy

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Even Rupaul came out and said something to that effect originally but he had to back track when the mob came for him

https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/6...ew-controversy

I feel bad for RuPaul ... he was quite clear on what HIS drag race was about, almost got "cancelled" for it, backtracked, had a trans woman (previous drag queen) on the show doing drag, who quite predictably ended up being like "Uhh actually this isn't for me any more, it feels like caricaturing and is making me very uncomfortable" showing that RuPaul was right all along . It was a disaster and the show hasn't been the same since all of this.

I actually find that traditional drag if you take it right back to the core, which is clearly RuPaul's thoughts on it, is that it's really about satiring and pointing out the absurdity of gender and gender norms as a concept. It's one of the major sticking points of gender ideology, because it's completely AT ODDS with identifying as trans. It's really not possible to justify life-and-health-altering sex reassignment surgeries whilst also accepting the meaninglessness of gender norms... the philosophies are not compatible. It should be an ideological battleground but the blinkers are firmly in place for the sake of allyship.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I find this one genuinely confusing I have to say. Loosely, I don't think there's anything wrong with drag. Some of it veers quite clearly into an uncomfortable level of misogyny BUT at it's core... it's an act, it's entertainment, and not everyone has to like or agree with a form of entertainment for it to be acceptable. In that sense, there's no issue with drag.

What's confusing me here is... drag, surely, IS just an activity? It's always been the case that drag is traditionally men (usually gay men) caricaturing/playing women in a very exaggerated and hyperbolic way. Sometimes sexualised, sometimes not, but that's not massively relevant in adult entertainment so whatever. My point is that it's an act, like being a singer or a comedian. It has little (if anything) to do with trans and TRADITIONALLY was not about gender identity - most drag queens have been quite clear on being gay males. Drag is something one does, not something one is.

So where does "accepted and integrated into general society" come into it? Being a drag queen isn't an "identity"? Have you ever heard someone talk about being "accepted and integrated" as a comedian, actor or singer?

If it's gone that way it's very recent and clearly all wrapped up in the also-very-recent obsession with "group identity" that's plaguing every corner of sociology.

Yes

[Glenn.]

We should all just go back to LGBTQ+ being killed in the streets.

[Glenn.]

Chat amongst yourselves in your little echo chamber. I’m not interested in engaging with you anymore

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Chat amongst yourselves in your little echo chamber. I’m not interested in engaging with you anymore

Allowing an echo chamber to form is one of the things that's wrong in society nowadays.

Basically members such as yourself and Liam are very valuable members to the Forum imo, especially as you both tend to offer the alternative viewpoint which is really good for the Forum.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[Glenn.]

Lol more propaganda

[Alf]

Empowering!


Look what this ideology is doing to your. Grandad/Dad/uncle/husband/brother/cousin/boyfriend/son/nephew

Apparently, this makes them brave and you should be proud of them.

I watched to the end, so that means you have to. It's your punishment for allowing this to happen.

[Zizu]

https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/statu...hADTQG3kMIaXcg


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[smudgie]

Poor sad women, dragging their babies with them to get their jollies.
Find a ruddy babysitter and stop hiding behind your babies.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Poor sad women, dragging their babies with them to get their jollies.
Find a ruddy babysitter and stop hiding behind your babies.

You may well have a point given that babies apparently understand and take in far more than we ever imagined at a very early age


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[Livia]

Taking the kids into town later... There's a stripper on at the Boilermaker's Arms. Wouldn't want them to miss it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Taking the kids into town later... There's a stripper on at the Boilermaker's Arms. Wouldn't want them to miss it.

Don’t forget to let them watch the Texas Chainsaw massacre at the weekend

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don’t forget to let them watch the Texas Chainsaw massacre at the weekend

God that one scene in the 2003 version would scar a child for life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Crimson Dynamo]

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Looks like Ursula from Little Mermaid

[user104658]

I swear this thread alone is a sad microcosm of the mechanisms at play all across the western world at the moment. Really troubling - where is the balance? I mean it is here in places but what, maybe 20% of the thread... and I think that's a pretty accurate reflection. A tragic cycle of misrepresentation, press hyperbole, alienation, defensiveness and emboldening.

I don't think any of this is going to end well at all. For anyone but a very, very select few. I really do increasingly get the impression we're being played like fiddles, by people who look at us like we're ants.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I swear this thread alone is a sad microcosm of the mechanisms at play all across the western world at the moment. Really troubling - where is the balance? I mean it is here in places but what, maybe 20% of the thread... and I think that's a pretty accurate reflection. A tragic cycle of misrepresentation, press hyperbole, alienation, defensiveness and emboldening.

I don't think any of this is going to end well at all. For anyone but a very, very select few. I really do increasingly get the impression we're being played like fiddles, by people who look at us like we're ants.

FAO alf.