[Stu]

Originally posted by Conor
I'm not really getting this thread right now? I'm reading some are good, then they're all bad, then they all kill you, then some cant, you will 100% get addicted, you cant get addicted if cafefull?

I think I'm bing brainwashed by all these speakers at school about drugs now.

School does seem to misinform and complicate things even further. The jist of it is no recreational drug is completely 100% drawback free for the masses. Some , however , are safer than others. Obviously their is junk most of us would never , ever touch like Heroin , but in comparison to your average syringe of heroin , a joint is a lot safer. Though still not completely safe - and not , of course , for everyone.

And yet still cannabis is illegal and alcohol is legal. Thats my main beef with drug laws right now. Alcohol is easier to get hooked on , and people tend to become more violent after drink than they would after smoking a joint. Someone who smokes a joint typicaly falls around , eats all the cookies , laughs at everything , and risks feeling a little lazier than usual the next morning.

Yeah , a real menace to society .

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Morpheus

No , it proves that drugs make for an extremely passionate topic people pour their hearts into.

Thats an extremely selfish statement. You assume all drug users , smokers and drinkers have to supplement their personalities further , and hence they only use drugs to give them an artificial personality?

And with that you just provided one of the best anti prohibition arguments their are. Legalise soft drugs. Tax them to the hilt. Use the tax on...guess what?...

Oh dear is that the best you can do......I wonder what is affecting your judgment!!!!Then again perhaps I don't....

[Stu]

Originally posted by bananarama

Oh dear is that the best you can do......I wonder what is affecting your judgment!!!!Then again perhaps I don't....

Your contradicting my argument and condescending me by suggesting im stoned yet you dont give an argument back?

[Tom]

What some people have missed and don't understand is that being a drug user you don't have to be an addict, and in most cases you will never become an addict.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Tom_
What some people have missed and don't understand is that being a drug user you don't have to be an addict, and in most cases you will never become an addict.

As long as said drug user uses their head , puts a little thought into it , and takes their share of responsibility the government seems dead set on not giving to them yeah - your absoloutely right.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GlennDines123

And there really isnt any comparison in alcohol to drugs

Alcohol is a drug. Some drug users (including alcohol) actually use it for escapism to get away from their problems. Some use them to have a laugh. There are many different reasons for drugs use or misuse. And can I also add that different people handle stuff differently. Some people have addictive personalities. I need to find a song I think describes some of the argument quite well..................

[Mrluvaluva]

Youtube video

[Dr43%er]

One thing people seem to forget when they go on about alcohol being legal is that it is illegal to be battered in public, for a pub to serve you if you are drunk. So the drug itself is legal but its affects can be illegal.

Anyway, as a counterpoint to baz's video, from the same artist.

Youtube video

[Magic]

Originally posted by Stu
Lets not get our drugs mixed up before we go any further , for some of the more naive members bound to post on about how drugs destroy lives. Be careful not to generalise. Yes their are bad drugs but some are good. Its almost embarrassing having to get cautioned for smoking a joint , and then come home and watch advertisments on the TV telling me to get drunk. We have a moral right to disobey unjust laws , and its simply a matter of time before a lot of European citys will become as tolerant as your average Amsterdam.

Some drugs are good?
Of course, but I dont think illegal drugs are, hence them being illegal.

And who say's those laws are unjust? Of course we have "moral rights" to disobey laws, but if people went by that attitude we could all kill each other.

Laws are made to help society progres, not regress.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Magic

Some drugs are good?
Of course, but I dont think illegal drugs are, hence them being illegal.

And who say's those laws are unjust? Of course we have "moral rights" to disobey laws, but if people went by that attitude we could all kill each other.

Laws are made to help society progres, not regress.

I think we all know that drugs like heroin should always remain illegal. There is a fine line though between drugs such as cannabis. Why should alcohol remain legal, and cannabis illegal?

[Sunny_01]

Lets not all forget that frequent cannabis use is linked to severe mental health problems, so it is not as innocent as it seems. Also I agree with Stu, alcohol is as mind altering as many drugs!! we just know the government makes a lot of money out of alcohol in taxes though so it will never become illegal will it!!

The thing for me is mind altering substances cause us to behave in ways we wouldnt normally, by that I mean we could be far more reckless than normal which makes us very vulnerable.

I am not particularly against most things, I jsut worry about people.

[Hades]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Lets not all forget that frequent cannabis use is linked to severe mental health problems

Bottom barrel scrapping done by the government to try and come up with a negative , im afraid. Their has been very little conclusive research done that can prove Cannabis causes severe mental health problems. Most of the time , the person is in a fragile mental state anyway , in which case they should not be smoking it.

Another thing the Gordon Browns funhouse are saying right now is that skunk is highly potent , so it is more likely to cause mental health problems.

And do you know what skunk being so prevelant is a direct result of? ...You guessed it - Cannabis being illegal.

Wherther you like Cannabis or not is beside the point , it instantly becomes safer almost overnight if legalised , or even at the least decrminalised.

Also Magic , why on earth are you forming your opinion around drugs based on if they are legal or not?

Alcohol was illegal once upon a time in the US. That worked wonders , did it not?

Edit : Also , I agree with you Sunny when you say its the people you worry about. We could legalise LSD tommorow , but theirs no way you can trust the average chav on the street with something so mind altering and potent. People are too thick to use drugs responsibily.

[thisisme2008]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
In the light of cannabis being kept as a class C drug, I wondered what everyones stance was on british drug laws. What are your views?

If they were to legalise everything, it would all become a lot less dangerous - it would be government controlled, there would be no dangerous(er) substances mixed in like glass, and people wouldn't really do it so much because they won't be doing something illegal. That's what I think anyway.

[kerri]

They will never become legal and there will always be a drug dealer to replace a drug dealer xx

[Annie]

I dont see the problem with drugs

If people want to take them - let them.

[Liontamer]

god people get over it if people want to do drugs let them.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Annie
I dont see the problem with drugs

If people want to take them - let them.

It's not only the fool of a drug taker that is affected by drugs. Druggies affect other peoples lives just like alcoholics do.......

You will be paying taxes to cover the cost of trying to put drug taking idiots lives back on track.....

[Tom]

Originally posted by bananarama

It's not only the fool of a drug taker that is affected by drugs. Druggies affect other peoples lives just like alcoholics do.......

You will be paying taxes to cover the cost of trying to put drug taking idiots lives back on track.....

What about casual users who aren't addicted?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Tom

What about casual users who aren't addicted?

Anyone who goes near drugs except for medical reasons be they addicts or not are just plain and simple "Idiots"!......

[Tom]

Originally posted by bananarama

Anyone who goes near drugs except for medical reasons be they addicts or not are just plain and simple "Idiots"!......

Does that also include legal drugs such as alcohol, ones which are actually more addictive than illegal ones?

[Annie]

^^^

Taking drugs does not make you an idiot.
Just because you might not take them - they aint as bad as made out to be. The only REAL danger is that some people cant handle it and they are addictive.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Tom

Does that also include legal drugs such as alcohol, ones which are actually more addictive than illegal ones?

I agree alcohol is a drug and one that is much abused. Unfortunately it is so embedded in society controlling it is now impossible......Drugs are an addition to man kinds insensible behavour that should not be allowed to become as established as the killer alcohol is. That is why I call drug takers "Idiots" Adding even more mindless behavour and possible addictions to society....


To those that think drugs should be legalised just look at the consequences of alcohol having been legalised.......If that does not teach any one a lesson about drug taking then nothing will.....

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Annie
^^^

Taking drugs does not make you an idiot.
Just because you might not take them - they aint as bad as made out to be. The only REAL danger is that some people cant handle it and they are addictive.

Which makes one an "idiot" for risking something that could make you an addict.......No escaping the fact idiots and drugs share the same bed......

[Mrluvaluva]

I have smoked cannabis a few times and even tried cocaine once. Does that make me an idiot then? I was curious and tried it once.

[Fom]

Dont group all drugs together because some of them arent as bad as each other. Cannabis is reasonably harmless and harms your body just as much as a cigarette does, the only difference is that the drug gives you more of a side effect than smoking tobacco. You are more likely to do dangerous stuff when drinking than when you are stoned... for the sheer reason when you are stoned all you want to do is laugh and sit down and be a vegetable. When you are drunk you can get aggressive etc.
But then you get other drugs like Cocaine or Injection drugs, these can become extremely addictive and should be stayed away from at all costs. I have never personally even thought about touching these drugs and wouldnt want too, a friend of mine takes Cocaine to stay awake, then she saw her friend get addicted and lose all his money so then she stopped.

Other things like pills, mushrooms etc are dangerous for the fact that you dont realise what you are doing and that everything seems different and you can end up in some sticky situations or even panicking yourself into a serious condition. You can trip out and completely freak yourself out.

But they are not all the same, in fact cannabis is one of the most harmless drugs. Obviously the winner being poppers, which just gives you a little head ache. And also something that REALLY annoys me about cannabis being illegal is that people like my mum, who have chronic illnesses that are never going away have to live with pain every single day and pain killers wont cover it, but if the law would allow a cannabis pill or a small supply of fresh cannabis to bake into cakes it could help these people extremely if it is done in moderation and control it could change peoples lives for the better.

Before everyone thinks I am a druggie or somthing haha, a lot of my friends take drugs so I know the effects and stuff. I personally have tried cannabis and dont think its that bad, one I got ill because it was really horrbile stuff, but on another occasion it just sent me giddy for about 2 hours. Dont judge people if they try it, and dont judge people if they do it on the odd occasion as its just a bit of fun... judge the people who smoke cannabis every day. They are the ones who are harming themselves. But if you smoke or drink and then judge cannabis users you are a hypocrite!