[NettoSuperstar!]

LoL@the liberal mafia

[InOne]

Obama says his views

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/us...1&ref=nyregion

[ElProximo]

A Mosque in that area will lead to more violence, terrorist attacks on New York and elsewhere.
Oh yes it will.
And having NOTHING to do with anyone else but Muslims.

I don't have time to explain why this will happen but many of you can figure it out. Its actually quite obvious if you know how many Muslims really do think about these things.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

A Mosque in that area will lead to more violence, terrorist attacks on New York and elsewhere.
Oh yes it will.
And having NOTHING to do with anyone else but Muslims.

I don't have time to explain why this will happen but many of you can figure it out. Its actually quite obvious if you know how many Muslims really do think about these things.

"A Mosque in that area will lead to more violence, terrorist attacks on New York and elsewhere."
you pulled this from your arse? Muslim taxpayers have a right to pray locally and if nut jobs and racist ******* want to commit a crime against the building then that's where the police come in. Since they are rate payers they ought to expect to be able to pray locally and have these redneck morons handled by the police. Muslims choosing build this mosque shouldn't have to make that choice with the threat of violence hanging over them. You seem to think they ought to make choices about whether to build the Mosque BASED on those threats.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Lol@ " I dont have time to explain why this will happen"...hmmmm is that because its utter bollocks?

[ange7]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Lol@ " I dont have time to explain why this will happen"...hmmmm is that because its utter bollocks?

hehe ... it's simple as... but no amount of explaining will help that one Netto. He/she just talks in circles and then says I won the argument !! tee hee"
By denying these muslims a right to a place to pray InOne is saying "you are to blame, not just the terrorists but all muslims EVERYWHERE". LOL!!!
Inone wants to blame all Muslims for the act of 9/11... clear as day. He/she thought the majority agreed but not only does the mayor of NY think this building should go up but now the president does too. THEY are the elected reps of the people, NOT the protesters. The majority agree that by stopping the mosque what your actually saying is "you are to blame!" Most American think that is a load of old ballz. Sorry InOne ... this thread has only lasted this long because you ignore points and side step facts. Lol at you for moaning about so many hate threads here on tibb and then you coming up with this little ripper hehe

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

hehe ... it's simple as... but no amount of explaining will help that one Netto. He/she just talks in circles and then says I won the argument !! tee hee"
By denying these muslims a right to a place to pray InOne is saying "you are to blame, not just the terrorists but all muslims EVERYWHERE". LOL!!!
Inone wants to blame all Muslims for the act of 9/11... clear as day. He/she thought the majority agreed but not only does the mayor of NY think this building should go up but now the president does too. THEY are the elected reps of the people, NOT the protesters. The majority agree that by stopping the mosque what your actually saying is "you are to blame!" Most American think that is a load of old ballz. Sorry InOne ... this thread has only lasted this long because you ignore points and side step facts. Lol at you for moaning about so many hate threads here on tibb and then you coming up with this little ripper hehe

Eh? lol God you're an idiot.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

allahu akbar !!!!

allahu akbar !!!!

allahu akbar !!!!

admiral ackbar !!!!

[ange7]

Originally Posted by InOne

Eh? lol God you're an idiot.

yeah... reported

[InOne]

Originally Posted by ange7

yeah... reported

Awwwww poor baby

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Lol@ " I dont have time to explain why this will happen"...hmmmm is that because its utter bollocks?

It could end up with violence etc but I wouldnt say it would be confined to Muslims only.

For starters you will get demonstrators appearing at the start of the conversion work, then at the opening, this will in turn to counter demonstrators both Muslim and also civil rights types.

Then you have threats from misguided revenge seekers, anti muslim groups, ultra right wing groups, or just plain nutters who like to jump onto a cause and use it to justify causing violence.

Any attacks on either the community centre itself or its users could generate retaliation from certain sectors of the muslim community, or from muslims based in other parts of the US or even overseas.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

It could end up with violence etc but I wouldnt say it would be confined to Muslims only.

For starters you will get demonstrators appearing at the start of the conversion work, then at the opening, this will in turn to counter demonstrators both Muslim and also civil rights types.

Then you have threats from misguided revenge seekers, anti muslim groups, ultra right wing groups, or just plain nutters who like to jump onto a cause and use it to justify causing violence.

Any attacks on either the community centre itself or its users could generate retaliation from certain sectors of the muslim community, or from muslims based in other parts of the US or even overseas.

Sure they'll be a few idiots but it'll fizzle out in to nothing its unlikely to cause major terrorist attacks there or abroad, lots of muslims get attacked already because of all the **** flying about, doesnt mean you give in to it

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Shasown

It could end up with violence etc but I wouldnt say it would be confined to Muslims only.

For starters you will get demonstrators appearing at the start of the conversion work, then at the opening, this will in turn to counter demonstrators both Muslim and also civil rights types.

Then you have threats from misguided revenge seekers, anti muslim groups, ultra right wing groups, or just plain nutters who like to jump onto a cause and use it to justify causing violence.

Any attacks on either the community centre itself or its users could generate retaliation from certain sectors of the muslim community, or from muslims based in other parts of the US or even overseas.

"It could end up with violence etc but I wouldnt say it would be confined to Muslims only."
Nor did she.
Threats of violence from the minority that are against the mosque are used as a reason for it not being built. Why should THAT minority dictate, through the threat of violence, the plans of people to build themselves a place to pray? Saying "ooo but there will be some racist nut jobs who will react badly" isn't a reason to deny the Muslims the right to a place to pray. As rate payers Muslims who will use the mosque are entitled to the same protections afforded to all places, buildings and people.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

mosque at ground zero is good idea methinks

less likely they attack that area again

america and britain should build thousands of mini mosques (each having a statue of mohamed over the front door) next to all the major landmarks

then on top of each mosque put one of these smilies >>>>

[ange7]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

mosque at ground zero is good idea methinks

less likely they attack that area again

america and britain should build thousands of mini mosques (each having a statue of mohamed over the front door) next to all the major landmarks

then on top of each mosque put one of these smilies >>>>

lol .. while your at at send over to Palatine get peace in the middle east happening.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

mosque at ground zero is good idea methinks

less likely they attack that area again

america and britain should build thousands of mini mosques (each having a statue of mohamed over the front door) next to all the major landmarks

then on top of each mosque put one of these smilies >>>>

Unfortunately no.
Because so many of us come from a Christian heritage then that becomes our reference.
We think (according to our reference) that Muslims must have a parallel 'sacrilege'.
But they do not.

You can see this in the Afghanistan, Iraq wars. Muslims most definitely CAN use mosques as military bases.
They can fight from mosques.
They can hide in mosques, have firefights in mosques. They can take prisoners inside mosques.

Here is another thing most westerners don't understand but the building of that mosque CONFIRMS the will of Allah to the militant branch.
It fuels them.
Far from preventing them from bombing that area again it actually ENCOURAGES them.
Here would be something of the thinking:

We bombed the Jew Building and some Muslim meeting center was damaged in the blast. That was their contribution by Allah.
As a result?
A Mosque grew in the place!
PROOF that Allah condones it!
OK.
So now we have 'proof' it was good and if we can kill even MORE Jews and Americans we will be rewarded with not just one Mosque but soon ALL of New York will come under the house of Islam,
Not just ONE mosque but millions will eventually SUBMIT to Islam!

I notice almost NOBODY is discussing how building this mosque will fuel, motivate, excite and only encourage Jihadist's to DO MORE BOMBING of New York.
Now this may not be the intention of the ones building it but it WILL be what happens and they ought to know that.

People just don't realize what a vulgar death religion most (not all) but most Muslims are involved with or support.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Sure they'll be a few idiots but it'll fizzle out in to nothing its unlikely to cause major terrorist attacks there or abroad, lots of muslims get attacked already because of all the **** flying about, doesnt mean you give in to it

Hopefully thats true. But you never know with American extremists.

Originally Posted by ange7

"It could end up with violence etc but I wouldnt say it would be confined to Muslims only."
Nor did she.
Threats of violence from the minority that are against the mosque are used as a reason for it not being built. Why should THAT minority dictate, through the threat of violence, the plans of people to build themselves a place to pray? Saying "ooo but there will be some racist nut jobs who will react badly" isn't a reason to deny the Muslims the right to a place to pray. As rate payers Muslims who will use the mosque are entitled to the same protections afforded to all places, buildings and people.

I know she didnt, I was explaining why violence at least in the short term would or could happen, thats not to say it would only be confined to the short term, some of the home grown american lunatic fringe may sit back years and let hate fester.

I think to deny them the community centre in that location would undermine the principles America is supposed to be built upon. I agree the threat of a possible attack shouldnt be used as a reason to deny them permission to build the centre.

Hopefully the centre will build bridges as opposed to destroy them.

[Lee.]

I have noticed this mentioned briefly on the news and online etc but haven't really paid that much attention..
So, they're actually going to build a mosque on ground zero? Where the towers fell?
PLease tell me that is some kind of joke?!

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by happyland

I have noticed this mentioned briefly on the news and online etc but haven't really paid that much attention..
So, they're actually going to build a mosque on ground zero? Where the towers fell?
PLease tell me that is some kind of joke?!

Not literally on ground zero. A few blocks away, where it can't be seen, but it will be in a building that was damaged during the attacks.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

Not literally on ground zero. A few blocks away, where it can't be seen, but it will be in a building that was damaged during the attacks.

Hmm.. well in that case, I don't really know how I feel about it

[dudus]

a hear there building a gay bar next to this mosque, well all a can say is GOOD, a hope it really pisses them muslims off

[Shaun]

-is thankful for being on a forum with Nettosuperstar and ange7-

some sense

saying that Islam was responsible for 9/11 is like saying Shintoism is responsible for Pearl Harbor. It's just using a national tragedy to sweep up hysteria in an attempt to tarnish an institution these people don't really understand.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Shaun

-is thankful for being on a forum with Nettosuperstar and ange7-

some sense

saying that Islam was responsible for 9/11 is like saying Shintoism is responsible for Pearl Harbor. It's just using a national tragedy to sweep up hysteria in an attempt to tarnish an institution these people don't really understand.

cheers Shaun
Dateline ( current affairs show here in oz) did a story on this topic. Here's the link
http://www.sbs.com.au/dateline/story...nd-Zero-Mosque
Some like you will who want to know ALL the info on what they are talking about will find it pretty useful. For others facts are like water off a ducks back. :P

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shaun

-is thankful for being on a forum with Nettosuperstar and ange7-

some sense

saying that Islam was responsible for 9/11 is like saying Shintoism is responsible for Pearl Harbor. It's just using a national tragedy to sweep up hysteria in an attempt to tarnish an institution these people don't really understand.

Your a shining beacon too my love

[ange7]

back to "the nest" mate