[joeysteele]

I wouldn't turn my back on a coffin going past myself, however if that is the main demo against this funeral then I consider that a peaceful demo.

Also, I don't care whether it was Labour who laid down plans for this funeral or not, I still say 100% for me, that there should be no public funds used for it at all.
Using them for this funeral is just totally wrong in my view.

A funeral too where the organisers are actually inviting celebrities to it, is nothing less than tacky to me,say they want to go by all means and do so but sending out invites to them is quite pathetic.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I wouldn't turn my back on a coffin going past myself, however if that is the main demo against this funeral then I consider that a peaceful demo.

Also, I don't care whether it was Labour who laid down plans for this funeral or not, I still say 100% for me, that there should be no public funds used for it at all.
Using them for this funeral is just totally wrong in my view.

A funeral too where the organisers are actually inviting celebrities to it, is nothing less than tacky to me,say they want to go by all means and do so but sending out invites to them is quite pathetic.

i agree - if any of us pop our clogs we or our familys dont get help - so why should they - and after all they are a family in a very well payed profession.

i hope this sounds not disrespectful and sorry to sound nasty. as i do have a soft spot for carrol.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by waterhog

i agree - if any of us pop our clogs we or our familys dont get help - so why should they - and after all they are a family in a very well payed profession.

i hope this sounds not disrespectful and sorry to sound nasty. as i do have a soft spot for carrol.

Nothing you said sounds in any way disrespectful to me waterhog.

For me it is taxpayers who are really being disrespected by being expected to cover some of this funerals costs without being asked.
I neither understand why or think it right considering the status of the people actually organising this near farce it seems to be becoming now.

[Kizzy]

''Hundreds have been given a pauper’s funeral in Leeds after dying alone or in poverty. Reporter Laura Bowyer investigates the stark reality of public health funerals.

SOARING funeral costs and the effects of the recession have left hundreds of families in Leeds unable to afford to give their loved ones a final farewell.

It means that more than two “paupers’ funerals” are carried out in the city, on average, every single week at a cost of more than a thousand pounds each.

Among those have been funeral services for a baby boy and a 101-year-old.

A YEP investigation has revealed that more than 650 of the funerals, also knows as public health funerals, have been organised in Leeds over the last five years''

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.u...vels-1-5340428

[Jack_]

[lostalex]

HIllary: Yur such an Inspiration Maggie. You put the first cracks in the glass ceiling.



Maggie: Honey, My people hate me!

Hillary: That makes you even more impressive, if you ain't hated you ain;'t a POLITICIAN? am i right? or am i right or am i right? *nudge nudge*

Maggie: No, they Really HATE me...












Maggie: but don't worry, you don't have to be loved to gain power. Who gives a crap what poor people think anyway?

Hillary: LOL you had me nervous there for a second! You British have such a dry sense of humor!!

[Jack_]

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jack_

it's so shiney and pretty!

[Jack_]

'Margaret Thatcher was no feminist'

[Jack_]

Fitting

[Nedusa]

I think the best way to send Thatcher off would have been a public cremation. Unfortunately, she died before that could happen...!!!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think the best way to send Thatcher off would have been a public cremation. Unfortunately, she died before that could happen...!!!

that's just sick!

[AnnieK]

I find this less hard to stomach than tax payers money being used to keep child killers, serial killers and paedophiles in relative luxury year on year in prisons. It is an extortionate amount of money for a funeral that the person didn't want and I am surprised the government is willing to have the scrutiny from the world considering they know the depth of feeling that will be on display.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by anniek76

I find this less hard to stomach than tax payers money been used to keep child killers, serial killers and paedophiles in relative luxury year on year in prisons. It is an extortionate amount of money for a funeral that the person didn't want and I am surprised the government is willing to have the scrutiny from the world considering they know the depth of feeling that will be on display.

this is about the history books!
when the queen is willing to attend it takes this to another level!
thatcher will take her place in history.

[Ammi]

..tbh, I don’t think any funeral arrangements, other than a complete private family funeral, would have been satisfactory to the anti-Thatcher public..I also don’t think realistically that was ever going to happen..(regardless of her or her family’s wishes)..which is why I don’t think anyone should presume any blame on her family for this...whether people loved/hated or were indifferent to her..she was the only female PM this country has ever had and will go down in history for the decisions she made while in power...probably more than any other post war PM..however controversial/unpopular those decisions were ....I obviously can’t be certain but am also not sure a current Labour government could have made any different decision over this as lots of things do have to be considered here and yes, one of those things should be public opinion..and maybe especially in a recession...but tbh, regardless of which party is in power, I’m not sure the welfare of the ‘working public’ is ever the highest thing on the agenda in any financial decisions of public spending...I don’t think any of the party leaders are ‘in touch with the public’ enough...

...Incidently, I’m not saying I agree with the funeral plans..just that I can’t see in this case that, they could have made it a totally family thing....(no matter how much some people dislike her or whether their reasons are justified, she couldn't just be 'put in a box and put into the ground')..whether a ‘compromise’ was ever considered, I have no idea..do we actually know who made the decision yet..?...

..I still think that to protest at such an occasion is extremely inappropriate and distasteful and makes the protesters themselves as bad, if not worse than the cause they are protesting against...

[joeysteele]

Well it would seem the Govt with David Cameron himself as the whole trumpet section are the main planners of this funeral.
All the announcements concerning it come from Downing Street.
I have no objection at all to this kind of funeral for Margaret Thatcher, of course she has a place in history but only just.
I have even some admiration for her strength of leadership.

I just think the planners of this funeral should bear the cost of it in full, the Conservative party of which she was a major strength in for instance, they could cover the costs that the taxpayer is having to put in.
The taxpayer has never been asked to fund any former PMs funeral no matter the economic climate at the time they died.
So why should they have to have any funds given to this one, if they had been asked if anyone wanted to voluntary contribute to the funeral, fine but to just take the funds on this occasion is to me wrong.
(Obvously the state paid for Winston Churchills but he led us all through the war,few would have objected to that,a whole different scenario).

The Queen should not be attending this funeral either, I am extremely disappointed she is.
The Queen should repreent all her citizens not just a privileged few and joining this farce with the celebrities that have been 'invited' too is something I find really distasteful.

By all means have leading politicians there, past and present,by all means have the PM do a reading.
Although I see no reason for it myself , include the military too but why then could it still not be done on a more dignified less costly and a bit larger way than her Husband Dennis's was.
No public funding whatsoever and paid for by the planners like most people have to do when someone they really love dies, whether they choose a budget funeral or a much larger one,for people who are just as important to them as Margaret Thatcher is to her family and connections.

I am neither anti Margaret Thatcher or pro her,I didn't live through her time as PM and my family didn't suffer under her policies,but millions of other people did.
I am however,very strongly anti public funds being used for her funeral and I fail to see how the planners, knowing how divisive the views are as to Margaret Thatcher, could not see that using public money for this funeral would only heighten those divisions and anger.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well it would seem the Govt with David Cameron himself as the whole trumpet section are the main planners of this funeral.
All the announcements concerning it come from Downing Street.
I have no objection at all to this kind of funeral for Margaret Thatcher, of course she has a place in history but only just.
I have even some admiraion for her strength of leadership.

I just think the planners of this funeral should bear the cost of it in full, the Conservative party of which she was a major strength in for instance, they could cover the costs that the taxpayer is having to put in.
The taxpayer has never been asked to fund any former PMs funeral no matter the economic climate at the time they died.
So why should they have to have any funds given to this one, if they had asked if anyone wanted to voluntary contribute to the funeral, fine but to just take the funds on this occasion is to me wrong.
(Obvously the state paid for Winston Churchills but he led us all through the war,few would have objected to that,a whole different scenario).

The Queen should not be attending this funeral either, I am extremely disappointed she is.
The Queen should repreent all her citizens not just a privileged few and joining this farce with the celebrities that have been 'invited' too is something I find really distasteful.

By all means have leading politicians there, past and present,by all means have the PM do a reading.
Although I see no reason for it myself , include the military too but why then could it still not be done on a more dignified less costly and a bit larger way than her Husband Dennis's was.
No public funding whatsoever and paid for by the planners like most people have to do when someone they really love dies, whether they choose a budget funeral or a much larger one,for people who are just as important to them as Margaret Thatcher is to her family and connections.

I am neither anti Margaret Thatcher or pro her,I didn't live through her time as PM and my family didn't suffer under her policies,but millions of other people did.
I am however,very strongly anti public funds being used for her funeral and I fail to see how the planners, knowing how divisive the views are as to Margaret Thatcher, could not see that using public money for this funeral would only heighten those divisions and anger.

You could say the same about the Queen not attending though. Then she is snubbing the thoughts of pro thatcher supporters. So Her Maj couldn't win no matter what she did. Again, at lot of thinking will be based around the fact that the world will be watching and a snub from the Queen would not go unnoticed. The sooner Wednesday is over the better as far as u am concerned. Nothing will change the decisions tht have been made and in the meantime current issues such as the problems with the welfare reform are being sidelined when these are the most important issues at the moment. The taxpayers money going to this funeral would have gone to some other crap, I would rather the media, politicians and the general public concentrate on people who are going to be in serious dire straits over the benefit changes.

[joeysteele]

Well anniek76, of course I take your points on thatand respect them but it has been a sort of protocol that the Queen doesn't attend former PM's funerals.
For instance, Harold Wilson who was largely believed to be a particular liked PM of the Queen, he actually won 4 out of 5 general elections, he was invited by the Queen to and he took the office of PM 4 times in his lifetime although not with the majorites Margaret Thatcher got.
He also led his party back from opposition to govt and served almost eight and a half years as PM.

His funeral was vey low key and even to that one the Queen did not attend.
However those who were supporters of Harold Wilson didn't take that as significant because other than for war leader Winston Churchill, who was afforded an official state funeral, the Queen had not attended any others.

I do take your point but by the Queen not going, she would have maintained a 'neutral' stance, by going she has broken that stance.
She could have made a broadcast acclaiming Margaret Thatcher's strength and achievements but to actually go to the funeral makes, in my view anyway, a far greater statement and one that will also likely only heighten the divisions already there.

I am a Monarchist but I see no reason whatsoever why the Queen should break protocol and go to this funeral and she certainly should not be going just because Margaret Thatcher was the first and so far only female PM of the UK.
That would be even more wrong.
As a Monarchist,I am really disappointed she is going, to me she is wrong completely to do so.
By all means have Prince Charles or other Royal attend but the Queen should have stayed neutral as she has with all former PMs of her reign, except for Winston Churchill who was a totally unique and exceptional case.

I don't think her not going could be seen as snub to the pro Margaret Thatcher sections, it was expressed with surprise on all news that she had said she was going in the first place, the news stating that the Queen does not usually attend the funerals of former PMs.

It will though be seen as a rejection of the stance of people who were anti Margaret Thatcher and that is why I believe she has made a mistake here in going and she should have been advised to hold the neutral stance and make a simple broadcast or statement.

[arista]

George Galloway was just on SkyNewsHD
he said get Burger King to sponser it.

He is all Objecting No Question Time on Weds
because of her funeral
and said if he is alone on this tomorrow
he will talk for 3 hours in Parliament about why a PMQ's
must happen this week


He is One of a Kind

[Kizzy]

Why is the country grinding to a halt for thatcher?...
Wow, she pulled a right spin stunt here didn't she, how can I stop people talking about welfare reforms?....

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why is the country grinding to a halt for thatcher?...
Wow, she pulled a right spin stunt here didn't she, how can I stop people talking about welfare reforms?....

It has come at quite a convenient time for the Tories.

I sense a conspiracy theory coming on

[joeysteele]

Being fair to Margaret Thatcher however, even she didn't go for welfare reforms.

I watched George Galloway and rarely do I agree with him but he was right,why was this funeral planned for Wednesday and so remove PMQs.
It makes no difference though if PMQs ae on or not, David Cameron asks more questions than he answers so I would guess he is relieved PMQs are off this week.

This funeral seems to have been planned around David Cameron and the Govts wishes and needs,not that of Baroness Margaret Thatcher.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Being fair to Margaret Thatcher however, even she didn't go for welfare reforms.

I watched George Galloway and rarely do I agree with him but he was right,why was this funeral planned for Wednesday and so remove PMQs.
It makes no difference though if PMQs are on or not, David Cameron asks more questions than he answers so I would guess he is relieved PMQs are off this week.

This funeral seems to have been planned around David Cameron and the Govts wishes and needs,not that of Baroness Margaret Thatcher.

But George has a Killer Question
to ask the PM

[Jack_]

[arista]

The grand children do not like Jack