[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Evil Kamikaze was Brave
like the Evil crew from Saudi that did 9/11.

And yes Japan inspired many

But still for Top Electronics I will buy direct from Japan
more than China.

Yes a Nuke on Japan was needed
but America did to many
in order to test them.

we tested them on our own soil before we ever dropped the bomb on japan. Technically the first country to ever be attacked with nuclear weapons was the US, not Japan.

anyways it's stupid to even talk about. obvious the USA saved the world in ww2 with the nuclear bombs. Japan is a very successful country BECAUSE of America, South Korea is very Successful because of America, all of western Europe lis very successful because of America... there's no way to dispute any of this. America saved the world after ww2.

Russia on the other hand, tried to ruin the world after ww2.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

we tested them on our own soil before we ever dropped the bomb on japan. Technically the first country to ever be attacked with nuclear weapons was the US, not Japan.

That was in Blank Zone Deserts - You having a Laugh

They wanted the Death Count
and they got it.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by lostalex

we tested them on our own soil before we ever dropped the bomb on japan. Technically the first country to ever be attacked with nuclear weapons was the US, not Japan.

Sorry, but a weapons test in a piece of wasteland or a desert with nobody around can not be seen as an attack. Two attacks on two cities can.

There is an argument that the real reason the bombs were dropped was to show the Russians that the US had this technology

The counter argument was that the Japanese mindset was such that they needed to get the emperor to order a surrender or else the war would drag on with more lives lost on both sides.

Also your view of WW2 takes no account of the work of Bletchley Park and the cracking of both the Enigma codes and the Tunni Codes.

[lostalex]

bye arista, time for me to get some rest from this weary world, i get to have some fun in fantasy. g'night.

sweet dreams for me..., hopefully some day soon for Ukrainians too...

Youtube video

[Nedusa]

+++++ Breaking News +++++
Russia's Black Sea Fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 5:00 local time (03:00 GMT) on Tuesday to surrender or face an all-out assault, according to Ukrainian defence ministry sources quoted by Interfax-Ukraine news agency. "If by 5am tomorrow morning they do not surrender a real assault will begin on units and sections of the Ukrainian armed forces all over Crimea," defence ministry officials are quoted as saying. So far there is no further confirmation of the ultimatum from other sources.

Looks like the Russians are quite serious about defending their military assets in the Crimea.....

This is like a game of Poker with very very high stakes....!!!!!!

[Z]

I honestly have no idea what's going to happen next. I think the world will give in to Russia's domineering tactics and it's going to cause one hell of a legislative reaction within the EU, NATO and all other pre-existing anti-Russia organisations. It's a pity my dissertation is due in April because I suspect that there will be a great deal of measures taken against Russian interference that'll be led by Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland.

[Nedusa]

Don't forget the Crimea was a Russian Province within the USSR until 1954 when Nikita Kruschev gave it to the Ukraine.

So when the USSR broke up in 1991 Crimea became part of the Ukraine even though 60% of the Population are Russian.

This caused great anger in Russia which still exists to this day. But the Black sea Naval bases in Sevastopol are Russia's main priority, the new govt in Kiev is threatening to renege on a treaty that allows Russia free movement of it's troops to it's military bases.

This is the red line that Russia must uphold, it must have unfettered access to it's military bases so to be honest the West has meddled in the affairs of Ukraine probably to achieve this very outcome.

Very dangerous game to play............

[Z]

Most countries that were under the USSR sphere of influence have an irrational fear of Russia's ability to wade into their territory at any time and not have the West do anything about it, that fear was especially aggravated in 2008 when Russia strolled into Georgia for five days and scared the daylights of every former Soviet Union territory that they could be next. That Russia has sent in the big boys to the Crimea now is not surprising, and again, because Ukraine's not part of institutional Europe's sphere of influence, nothing is being done. I fully expect to see gas market reforms being pushed onto the agenda once again by former USSR EU members who are rationally yet irrationally afraid that Russia can and will do this to them too.

[Nedusa]

I don't think this situation will cause the return of the "cold War" this situation is more likely to go "hot" very quickly

[Z]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I don't think this situation will cause the return of the "cold War" this situation is more likely to go "hot" very quickly

If it turns hot, it'll be between Ukraine and Russia. The Western world has, for the last 70 years, set in place a variety of measures to ensure that the great world powers never go to war against each other ever again. Of course, many will argue that if the USA, UK et al can wade into Iraq or Afghanistan then Russia can wade into Ukraine to protect its interests and its people. It's no less a legitimate thing to do than going in to fight terrorism or find weapons of mass destruction. Russia has a huge population of ethnic Russians living in the Crimea and if the Ukraine is experiencing civil unrest then Russia will defend its peoples' interests.

[arista]

Yes Zee the press Hype it up.

Whats all this people with "save me " signs (on the Free Metro)

Save them from what ?
no blood yet.

Bloody American President has enough of a mess back home
he can not Stop Putin.

Typical Hype Photo

[arista]

Zee

Worst is the Gas Pipeline goes through Ukraine
with our Gas supply we use.

So Push Putin he can Turn off the Gas.



sanctions - fecking will not work
as Russia gets Supplys from China
and other nations that will not do sanctions


Its your Study - Zee
so gives us more.

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

Zee

Worst is the Gas Pipeline goes through Ukraine
with our Gas supply we use.

So Push Putin he can Turn off the Gas.



sanctions - fecking will not work
as Russia gets Supplys from China
and other nations that will not do sanctions


Its your Study - Zee
so gives us more.

You have to remember that Russia is the world's leading gas supplier and it makes up a significant chunk of their economic gains. Turning off the gas is just as harmful to Russia as it is to the countries that lose out on gas - previous gas supply cut offs to Belarus and the Ukraine were what spurred western European nations to seek out alternative transit routes - that's why we have pipelines such as the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan route from Azerbaijan-Georgia-Turkey which was heavily supported by the USA. Russia itself sought to build new connections with Western Europe in light of those cut offs, it signed a deal with Gerhard Schroeder in 2005 to construct Nord Stream that goes directly from Russia to Germany through the Baltic Sea. There have not been any supply interruptions along that route since its inception. Germany and Russia are reliable trading partners to one another, Russia will not intentionally cut off that route because it's a market of 80 million people. While Russia may not want the West interfering in Ukraine, the West also forms the greatest share of its energy market. Putin could turn off the gas, but he'd also be deeply damaging Russia's economy if he did so on a large scale and for too long. Europe would continue to invest in projects such as Nabucco which have stalled over the last few years in order to bypass Russia as a supplier and transit country; that is not a situation which Russia would find acceptable so I doubt we'll see any situations where Russia intentionally cuts off the gas to harm its Western customers.

[arista]

"for too long."


Yes he can do what he wants if you push him.
So you think Putin will not have a reason to get nasty


Thats Something
tell the press

Infact can you not get down for Ch4HD News
and help Jon Snow

[Z]

Originally Posted by arista

"for too long."


Yes he can do what he wants if you push him.
So you think Putin will not have a reason to get nasty


Thats Something
tell the press

Infact can you not get down for Ch4HD News
and help Jon Snow

If Putin turns off the gas; Europe turns elsewhere for supplies. It would be economic suicide to do something that dramatic, Russia has spent the entire 21st century thus far building itself up to be an energy giant, it would not compromise that for anything. I'm not sure Channel 4 would want me but to be honest I think it's just a load of scare mongering, the media claiming that Putin will turn off the gas and it'll affect western Europe. It's propaganda to get people listening to what's happening in Ukraine; the reality is that Putin has no interest in harming Western European energy interests because those are also Russian energy interests. It's a mutual interdependency; albeit slightly in Russia's favour, but interdependent nonetheless.

[Z]

And what do you know, just as I thought, Poland's already called for a NATO meeting...

Secretary General announces North Atlantic Council to meet following Poland's request for Article 4 consultations

The North Atlantic Council, which includes the ambassadors of all 28 NATO Allies, will meet on Tuesday 4 March, following a request by Poland under article 4 of NATO's founding Washington Treaty.

Under article 4 of the Treaty, any Ally can request consultations whenever, in the opinion of any of them, their territorial integrity, political independence or security is threatened.

The developments in and around Ukraine are seen to constitute a threat to neighboring Allied countries and having direct and serious implications for the security and stability of the Euro-Atlantic area.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_107711.htm

[arista]

Ch4HD News
says no gas problems from Russia
just now



Live in Moscow now

[Z]

There won't be any gas problems. It's the leverage that's ensuring Western Europe doesn't get involved. Sadly for the Ukrainian people, this is largely down to them, help is not likely to be forthcoming because the Orange Revolution in 2004 failed to go far enough and align Ukraine with EU in time.

[arista]

Well put on Ch4News
Nothing is set by the West on what they can do.
Which people hate.

Scared of Putin

Tough Tittie


In America the President is Dithering- talking Live on FoxNewsHD and CNN

[GypsyGoth]

It's only the Ukraine, let Russia have it, it's not like it's one of the cool european countries. In fact we should give them Switzerland as well, I don't trust those ****ers.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

It's only the Ukraine, let Russia have it, it's not like it's one of the cool european countries. In fact we should give them Switzerland as well, I don't trust those ****ers.

How's your application to the Diplomatic Corps going Gyps?

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Livia

How's your application to the Diplomatic Corps going Gyps?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I think they should consider you as a successor to William Haig. Seriously, I'd vote for that...

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think they should consider you as a successor to William Haig. Seriously, I'd vote for that...

Actually of the main issues I have is with the media coverage of it and it's the exact same media coverage they have when they pretend something serious is about to happen, like North Korea. When I looked at the news about that there were graphics, and experts all saying how dreadfully serious it all was and how we all should be worried. Yet nothing happened.

And this whole event is the same thing. It seems like a great exercise in news stations getting ratings.

Same with that Oscar guy, he either murdered his wife thinking he was murdering someone he didn't know, or he murderer her on purpose. He should get locked up and be forgotten about. Instead his trail has become some type of reality tv courtroom drama

Maybe I shouldn't look at the news.

[Z]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

It's only the Ukraine, let Russia have it, it's not like it's one of the cool european countries. In fact we should give them Switzerland as well, I don't trust those ****ers.

Switzerland has enough nuclear bomb shelters to house its entire population, and all its mountain passes are booby trapped. Let's get the ****ers.