[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thought this was just in the the Saville case..have not seen any mention of this for the more recent accused.

If it's a case of historic abuse they will be wanting people to come forward that feel Cliff has a case to answer too I guess.
He can keep things tied up for so long but if the weight of the evidence is enough to go to court then it will come out.

[Vicky.]

Well honestly..all putting his name all over the press does is encourage those who are bull****ting for compensation to come forward IMO

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well honestly..all putting his name all over the press does is encourage those who are bull****ting for compensation to come forward IMO

He has used the law to keep most under wraps it seems, to suggest those who come forward are lying is as strange as saying he is lying as without hearing the evidence we just don't know do we?
How many people are willing to go through the stress and humiliation of a trial and are bul****ting... not many I would say.
If there is no evidence there is no case, so it would have to be corrosponding dates, times,distinguishing physical characteristics, sexual preferences.. Only then would there be enough to warrant a case, if that's been found then he will have to now answer some of these allegations I guess.

[AnnieK]

To remove all doubt of people lying they should do something about the right to claim compensation.....if people truly want the perpetrator of sexual assault to get their comeuppance, whether they get compensation or not should not be a factor. I know that people will say that if they are victims they should be compensated for having their lives affected/ruined and I do agree but I just fear that a lot of people making allegations are more driven by money than justice

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He has used the law to keep most under wraps it seems, to suggest those who come forward are lying is as strange as saying he is lying as without hearing the evidence we just don't know do we?
How many people are willing to go through the stress and humiliation of a trial and are bul****ting... not many I would say.
If there is no evidence there is no case, so it would have to be corrosponding dates, times,distinguishing physical characteristics, sexual preferences.. Only then would there be enough to warrant a case, if that's been found then he will have to now answer some of these allegations I guess.

I am not saying anyone in particular is lying..just that I do not believe hundreds(probably into the thousands by now) all kept quiet/were covered up/ I dont believe all of the saville victims are real, though no doubt a lot are. I believe a lot to be motivated by tyhe thought of compensation and that there is unlikely to be proof after all this time anyway so why not try it on...

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To remove all doubt of people lying they should do something about the right to claim compensation.....if people truly want the perpetrator of sexual assault to get their comeuppance, whether they get compensation or not should not be a factor. I know that people will say that if they are victims they should be compensated for having their lives affected/ruined and I do agree but I just fear that a lot of people making allegations are more driven by money than justice

Agreed 100%

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To remove all doubt of people lying they should do something about the right to claim compensation.....if people truly want the perpetrator of sexual assault to get their comeuppance, whether they get compensation or not should not be a factor. I know that people will say that if they are victims they should be compensated for having their lives affected/ruined and I do agree but I just fear that a lot of people making allegations are more driven by money than justice

Compensation is offered in a lot of claims for criminal damages, what makes you think that it's a contributory factor in seeking justice in cases of sexual assault only?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Compensation is offered in a lot of claims for criminal damages, what makes you think that it's a contributory factor in seeking justice in cases of sexual assault only?

I don't Kizzy....I know how it works. I was talking about these historic celebrity cases, high profile often wealthy celebs and I would have hope that was pretty clear

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am not saying anyone in particular is lying..just that I do not believe hundreds(probably into the thousands by now) all kept quiet/were covered up/ I dont believe all of the saville victims are real, though no doubt a lot are. I believe a lot to be motivated by tyhe thought of compensation and that there is unlikely to be proof after all this time anyway so why not try it on...

Unlike savile cliff is alive, he can defend himself.
Like I said, why would anyone want to try it on?.. Meaning the stress of the media, cross examination, details of your life and relationships scrutinised? It's not going to be pretty.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Unlike savile cliff is alive, he can defend himself.
Like I said, why would anyone want to try it on?.. Meaning the stress of the media, cross examination, details of your life and relationships scrutinised? It's not going to be pretty.

They dont get the stress of the media though do they...the people they accuse do

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't Kizzy....I know how it works. I was talking about these historic celebrity cases, high profile often wealthy celebs and I would have hope that was pretty clear

No it wasn't clear, and the fact they are famous is irrelevant... if they've committed a crime then that will be investigated, the fact they're wealthy shouldn't be an issue. Victims ( if there are any) deserve justice, that's the bottom line.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

They dont get the stress of the media though do they...the people they accuse do

Yes they do, look at the guy who accused that lord wotsit... he was on newsnight.

[Vicky.]

One guy, from thousands.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No it wasn't clear, and the fact they are famous is irrelevant... if they've committed a crime then that will be investigated, the fact they're wealthy shouldn't be an issue. Victims ( if there are any) deserve justice, that's the bottom line.

I quite agree and I have never said they shouldn't be investigated o where you ave that from I've no idea or that they shouldn't because they are wealthy....I said that compensation payments from the accused should not be a contributory factor. Justice should be the bottom line you're right

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

One guy, from thousands.

There have been others, and those who go to court won't be handled with kid gloves will they it'll be brutal.
My feeling is it's been covered up for years high profile abusers being protected for whatever reason, association with certain groups and organisations.
That's the thing about conspiracy theories sometimes they turn out to be true, will this rock the establishment? No, they may feel a slight shudder.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I quite agree and I have never said they shouldn't be investigated o where you ave that from I've no idea or that they shouldn't because they are wealthy....I said that compensation payments from the accused should not be a contributory factor. Justice should be the bottom line you're right

Where have you got the opinion that compensation is a contributory factor from?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where have you got the opinion that compensation is a contributory factor from?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-28101045

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-victims.html

Just a couple...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To remove all doubt of people lying they should do something about the right to claim compensation.....if people truly want the perpetrator of sexual assault to get their comeuppance, whether they get compensation or not should not be a factor. I know that people will say that if they are victims they should be compensated for having their lives affected/ruined and I do agree but I just fear that a lot of people making allegations are more driven by money than justice

Couldn't agree more Annie.

So many people have made up their minds that Cliff Richard is guilty, I think mainly because he lives a lifestyle that's different from theirs. He's never married, he's openly Christian... there must be something wrong with him, right? Speculation is rife about what he's supposed to have done. And yet, we're not allowed to speculate about the truth in the allegations made against him?

I honestly thought that people understood "innocent until proven guilty" but this forum suggests that's not the case at all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-28101045

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-victims.html

Just a couple...

The BBC... Oh it's not in their best interests to have scandals downplayed and turn public perception against the victims is it?

[chuff me dizzy]

Paedos should always be outed, they have hidden behind their celebrity status,Christian,charity helper for too long ,

[Livia]

Innocent. Until proven guilty. That is all.

[Kizzy]

Well that's how it works, everyone is aware of that in every case aren't they? I don't see the need to keep reiterating that point.
This one will be no different, other than the media attention.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Innocent. Until proven guilty. That is all.

If the police hadn't done what they have this would have gone unpunished ,unless its brought to the public eye victims will not come forward ,think of the relief his victims must feel that finally they will get their justice

[Cherie]

Jim Davidson, Michael le Vell, Ken Roache have all carried on with their careers even though they were named, I don't agree with naming until there is concrete evidence, that said this is the system we have and it doesn't look like it is going to change any time soon.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

If the police hadn't done what they have this would have gone unpunished ,unless its brought to the public eye victims will not come forward ,think of the relief his victims must feel that finally they will get their justice

Yes it's a shame the victims aren't afforded the same courtesy and are being found guilty of exploiting the case before it's even begun.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes it's a shame the victims aren't afforded the same courtesy and are being found guilty of exploiting the case before it's even begun.

Agreed.