[letmein]

And France will now get to ship all the illegals in ironically. lol

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

At the end of the day girls no one's gonna die

The world will still turn and the birds will still sing in the morning X

Cal for Prime Minister tbh

I do think though that all the worrying about the result is a bit premature. I'm not trying to shut anyone down but there's no way of knowing what the long term impact will be yet.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

The things that had been promised as positives in this scenario have, since the results came through, all been withdrawn as facts. Immigration isn't going to be affected and the NHS is going to see none of this apparent extra money we'll be getting. The parties involved and the media have used the public's fears to get the, apparently unlikely ,result they wanted
Sorry but in no universe was this the lesser of two evils - if Remain had won, we would have had the option to vote again if it all went to **** after staying. This way, we're not getting that chance again. That's it. We're out. There's no going back from this. If it all goes to **** from here....tough. We now are at a risk of losing Scotland and probably Northern Ireland so we'll be even smaller as an independent country. The chances of people of our generation owning our own houses is now through the floor because the value of the pound has taken a bigger nose dive than any currency in history. I don't see how this can possibly be a good thing? The fact that there is a genuine confusion about all these facts and figures that have come through is proof that a vast majority of the leavers had absolutely no clue what they were voting for.

But we were already "in" and it had all already gone to sh*t.

It's not about "that's it", new terms could be agreed in future years if it comes to that. There's also the possibility of a second referendum. It's not all black and white. We didn't join in 5 minutes, we won't leave in 5 minutes.

If Northern Ireland and Scotland want to do that, good for them. I'd rather our countries make their own decisions no matter how small rather than bowing down to a small elite.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But we were already "in" and it had all already gone to sh*t.

It's not about "that's it", new terms could be agreed in future years if it comes to that. There's also the possibility of a second referendum. It's not all black and white. We didn't join in 5 minutes, we won't leave in 5 minutes.

If Northern Ireland and Scotland want to do that, good for them. I'd rather our countries make their own decisions no matter how small rather than bowing down to a small elite.

But do you realise what a step to the right this actually is? The type of people who actually wanted this to happen are Farage - the leader of UKIP, Donald Trump, the man who has stated that if he made president he will banish ALL Muslims from his country, Putin, the man who has made homosexuality illegal in his country and Marine Le Pen, the extreme far right leader of France who has now put a picture of the Union Jack as her profile picture on all her social media sites. This is about SO much more than the UK making their own decisions...this is a statement about how pretty much exactly half (unfortunately a few more than not) think about immigration and unity. Does that not worry you about the future?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But we were already "in" and it had all already gone to sh*t.

It's not about "that's it", new terms could be agreed in future years if it comes to that. There's also the possibility of a second referendum. It's not all black and white. We didn't join in 5 minutes, we won't leave in 5 minutes.

If Northern Ireland and Scotland want to do that, good for them. I'd rather our countries make their own decisions no matter how small rather than bowing down to a small elite.

The UK is going to be even more in the grips of a small elite for at least the next two decades, though.

I would be all for Brexit if we had the sort of politics in this country that was ACTUALLY going to make it work for most people. We don't. We have elitists who are keen to cosy up to countries like China and India, who treat people like cattle and work them to the bone for pitiful wages. Great if you're one of those at the top. If not, you now have absolutely no buffer between you and those who would (and will) happily exploit you until the day you die.

[Tom4784]

Like with the last election, I look forward to how quickly people will change their tune when they realise they've made a terrible mistake. Facebook shall be fun.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

But do you realise what a step to the right this actually is? The type of people who actually wanted this to happen are Farage - the leader of UKIP, Donald Trump, the man who has stated that if he made president he will banish ALL Muslims from his country, Putin, the man who has made homosexuality illegal in his country and Marine Le Pen, the extreme far right leader of France who has now put a picture of the Union Jack as her profile picture on all her social media sites. This is about SO much more than the UK making their own decisions...this is a statement about how pretty much exactly half (unfortunately a few more than not) think about immigration and unity. Does that not worry you about the future?

Not really. My own vote/decision had sod all to do with the likes of Trump. Or Katie Hopkins for that matter.

Remaining or leaving affects a hell of a lot more than one aspect of this country so certain people voting one way for a particular agenda/angle on both sides shouldn't really enter someone's mind when choosing their own path. But that's just me.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The UK is going to be even more in the grips of a small elite for at least the next two decades, though.

I would be all for Brexit if we had the sort of politics in this country that was ACTUALLY going to make it work for most people. We don't. We have elitists who are keen to cosy up to countries like China and India, who treat people like cattle and work them to the bone for pitiful wages. Great if you're one of those at the top. If not, you now have absolutely no buffer between you and those who would (and will) happily exploit you until the day you die.

That elite are still democratically elected. I'd take that over the EU anyway tbqh.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Rob!

The things that had been promised as positives in this scenario have, since the results came through, all been withdrawn as facts. Immigration isn't going to be affected and the NHS is going to see none of this apparent extra money we'll be getting. The parties involved and the media have used the public's fears to get the, apparently unlikely ,result they wanted
Sorry but in no universe was this the lesser of two evils - if Remain had won, we would have had the option to vote again if it all went to **** after staying. This way, we're not getting that chance again. That's it. We're out. There's no going back from this. If it all goes to **** from here....tough. We now are at a risk of losing Scotland and probably Northern Ireland so we'll be even smaller as an independent country. The chances of people of our generation owning our own houses is now through the floor because the value of the pound has taken a bigger nose dive than any currency in history. I don't see how this can possibly be a good thing? The fact that there is a genuine confusion about all these facts and figures that have come through is proof that a vast majority of the leavers had absolutely no clue what they were voting for.

You are confusing the economy with the stock market. You really do need to read a basic primer on economics.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So proud of London who voted overwhelmingly to remain. also Boris being booed .. fantastic

Yes, Boris seems to be rather unpopular right now for a refreshing change.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That elite are still democratically elected. I'd take that over the EU anyway tbqh.

We currently effectively have a one-party system. Going forward, they'll be no more democratically elected than an African warlord who only puts his own name on the ballot.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. My own vote/decision had sod all to do with the likes of Trump. Or Katie Hopkins for that matter.

Remaining or leaving affects a hell of a lot more than one aspect of this country so certain people voting one way for a particular agenda/angle on both sides shouldn't really enter someone's mind when choosing their own path. But that's just me.

So how does the value of the pound disintegrating and the rest of Europe turning their back on us constitute as a good move?

[AnnieK]

My son was very worried this morning when he asked if we had left the EU and I told him we had. He thought we would have to move now. Then he looked outside and said...oh it's ok mummy, were still here. I wish I had his innocence and optimism.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

So how does the value of the pound disintegrating and the rest of Europe turning their back on us constitute as a good move?

Europe weren't "with" us anyway let's be honest.

And the value of the pound isn't a consequence of leaving, it's a separate issue.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We currently effectively have a one-party system. Going forward, they'll be no more democratically elected than an African warlord who only puts his own name on the ballot.

Well, we'll have to wait and see but I'm in favour of the risk than continuing to be idle.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Europe weren't "with" us anyway let's be honest.

And the value of the pound isn't a consequence of leaving, it's a separate issue.

The pound went lower and lower as more results came in throughout the night, how is it a separate issue?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

.

And the value of the pound isn't a consequence of leaving, it's a separate issue.

Not sure if you're serious or trolling at this point

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like with the last election, I look forward to how quickly people will change their tune when they realise they've made a terrible mistake. Facebook shall be fun.

i think looking to facebook to gauge the political pulse of the UK could be your problem..

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

The pound went lower and lower as more results came in throughout the night, how is it a separate issue?

It dropped lower a few weeks ago. It's always up and down.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Rob!

But do you realise what a step to the right this actually is? The type of people who actually wanted this to happen are Farage - the leader of UKIP, Donald Trump, the man who has stated that if he made president he will banish ALL Muslims from his country, Putin, the man who has made homosexuality illegal in his country and Marine Le Pen, the extreme far right leader of France who has now put a picture of the Union Jack as her profile picture on all her social media sites. This is about SO much more than the UK making their own decisions...this is a statement about how pretty much exactly half (unfortunately a few more than not) think about immigration and unity. Does that not worry you about the future?

Putin Penn and Trump are nothing to do with UK politics - that is twitter nonsense

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i think looking to facebook to gauge the political pulse of the UK could be your problem..

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Putin Penn and Trump are nothing to do with UK politics - that is twitter nonsense

LT for PM.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It dropped lower a few weeks ago. It's always up and down.

correct it was well below what it is now

Lol at all today's ( and today only) new Money Market analysts...

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The UK is going to be even more in the grips of a small elite for at least the next two decades, though.

I would be all for Brexit if we had the sort of politics in this country that was ACTUALLY going to make it work for most people. We don't. We have elitists who are keen to cosy up to countries like China and India, who treat people like cattle and work them to the bone for pitiful wages. Great if you're one of those at the top. If not, you now have absolutely no buffer between you and those who would (and will) happily exploit you until the day you die.

Whilst I get where you are coming from TS, keep in mind that the EU encourages elitist NL governments. That's why Blair survived as long as he did and why the likes of a Corbyn style LP would either fail or be corrupted by the union.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It dropped lower a few weeks ago. It's always up and down.

Yeah but not this down

Marsh it's through the floor. And it happened quicker than any currency has ever crashed in history. Black Friday(?) of 1992 looks like a positive day compared to what happened last night. Japan has already announced it's backing out of trade with us and that is only the beginning.

[Jord]

Gutted.

But that Scotland vote tho