[Semtex]

If that cup he threw was a foot higher on the glass it would have exploded all over the camera runs, luckily he hit the bottom where the window is much stronger.

I can't get my head around people revering him as a housemate, the manchild is scum & the house would evolve without him.
His arrested development is arresting the development of the house dynamic.

[Semtex]

Anyone who likes Bear can go fcuck themselves, it's not me.......it's you!

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Semtex

Anyone who likes Bear can go fcuck themselves, it's not me.......it's you!

I like Bear but I really can't f-ck myself at the moment, I'm eating a cheese sandwhich . Thanks for the suggestion though, it's very touching .... Maybe next time we could share the Bear Neccessitues together, you seem like a real catch.

[Semtex]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I like Bear but I really can't f-ck myself at the moment, I'm eating a cheese sandwhich . Thanks for the suggestion though, it's very touching .... Maybe next time we could share the Bear Neccessitues together, you seem like a real catch.

Excellent, I look forward to seeing where your moral compass lies in the future when we chat.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Semtex

Excellent, I look forward to seeing where your moral compass lies in the future when we chat.

What makes you think I have a moral compass and how am I meant to use when I've already been told to go f-ck myself ?..,.. I doubt we will be chatting much in the future, I'll be far too busy f-cking myself to have time to chat with you. But thanks for your interest in me.

[hot2go]

Bear has not threatened anyone, Heavy D has.... Bear has not said anything offensive that warrants removal, Biggins has... Bear has never lost his temper in the company of others, Heavy D has. Bear has not violated another housemate, Marnie has.
Bear is a wind up merchant but its Heavy who made threats and its Heavy D who still holds a grudge as shown in last nights noms. Heavy D is the loose cannon in that house right now not Bear.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Bear has not threatened anyone, Heavy D has.... Bear has not said anything offensive that warrants removal, Biggins has... Bear has never lost his temper in the company of others, Heavy D has. Bear has not violated another housemate, Marnie has.
Bear is a wind up merchant but its Heavy who made threats and its Heavy D who still holds a grudge as shown in last nights noms. Heavy D is the loose cannon in that house right now not Bear.

And Heavy D who's stalking a girl who's not interested in him

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Bear has not threatened anyone, Heavy D has.... Bear has not said anything offensive that warrants removal, Biggins has... Bear has never lost his temper in the company of others, Heavy D has. Bear has not violated another housemate, Marnie has.
Bear is a wind up merchant but its Heavy who made threats and its Heavy D who still holds a grudge as shown in last nights noms. Heavy D is the loose cannon in that house right now not Bear.

I agree with some of your points...Bear is a wind up merchant...he pushes people's buttons for a reaction. He accused Saira of trying to get a reaction from him and didn't like it.
Bear incites bad feeling and speaks to people like ****. He has no respect for anyone but himself and throws his toys out the Pram when things backfire. He has done nothing so far to get thrown out...but let's not forget he has had several warnings that we are not privy to.

[user104658]

Hmmm... He's not in good control of his emotions obviously, and I wouldn't say he "didn't do anything wrong" (if the glass had smashed, any crew behind it could easily have been hurt, I suspect he just wasn't thinking and forgot that there are people behind the glass), but I do think the situation was handled very badly. For one, you can't trap someone in a small space and then act surprised when they kick off... it's the basic psychology of being "backed into a corner", the instinct is to lash out.

They should have let him out the other door and outside for a smoke, someone from production could have talked to him there. It's just not a good idea to trap someone .

What I do have a major issue with, like Joey, is the fact that very little was said to Heavy D when he was being deliberately aggressive and physically intimidating. That sad old American woman (I can't remember her name... I've only watched 3 episodes ) is of course right that it should be obvious why he's angry and it is. His ego and sense of entitlement. Feels like he's "laid claim" to a girl who has zero interest in him, and is now getting aggressive when he feels like that's being "challenged". Deeply, deeply pathetic is what that is. Then he jumps up and attempts to use his physical size to intimidate little Bear, who is about half his size. Again, deeply pathetic. But they barely said two words to him :/.

[hot2go]

Heavy wanted the girl,...Heavy thought he could just have her....Heavy treated her like dirt....then when he couldn't have her and she chose someone else Heavy turned aggressive and threatening....Like King Kong.
Any action on Bears part was a direct reaction to the agression being projected from Heavy.
The garden and the bottle is a separate incident and that is where Bear scored a home goal...because if he had just held it together a bit longer we would all be having conversations about Heavys threatening and intimidating loss of control....but the fact is very clear...the first person and only person to make threats was Heavy the night before when he turned on Bear thinking he had vandalised his bed. The person making threats in the bedroom was Heavy.
I can understand why Bear felt it so unfare that he was locked up like a criminal and Heavy got off Scott free and was tucked up in his bed.

[Glenn-C]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Heavy wanted the girl,...Heavy thought he could just have her....Heavy treated her like dirt....then when he couldn't have her and she chose someone else Heavy turned aggressive and threatening....Like King Kong.
Any action on Bears part was a direct reaction to the agression being projected from Heavy.
The garden and the bottle is a separate incident and that is where Bear scored a home goal...because if he had just held it together a bit longer we would all be having conversations about Heavys threatening and intimidating loss of control....but the fact is very clear...the first person and only person to make threats was Heavy the night before when he turned on Bear thinking he had vandalised his bed. The person making threats in the bedroom was Heavy.
I can understand why Bear felt it so unfare that he was locked up like a criminal and Heavy got off Scott free and was tucked up in his bed.

The only reason Bear is kissing Chloe is because he knows Heavy D fancies her, and he wants Heavy to know that what Bear wants, Bear gets and it doesn't matter if it upsets anyone

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Defizo

The only reason Bear is kissing Chloe is because he knows Heavy D fancies her, and he wants Heavy to know that what Bear wants, Bear gets and it doesn't matter if it upsets anyone

that and chloe is 'easy'...does she know the word 'no'???

no respect for herself...just as Bear has no respect for anyone's feelings but his own sad really

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Defizo

The only reason Bear is kissing Chloe is because he knows Heavy D fancies her, and he wants Heavy to know that what Bear wants, Bear gets and it doesn't matter if it upsets anyone

The truth, he likes to feed his own ego and provoke as many people as he can in the process

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Heavy wanted the girl,...Heavy thought he could just have her....Heavy treated her like dirt....then when he couldn't have her and she chose someone else Heavy turned aggressive and threatening....Like King Kong.
Any action on Bears part was a direct reaction to the agression being projected from Heavy.
The garden and the bottle is a separate incident and that is where Bear scored a home goal...because if he had just held it together a bit longer we would all be having conversations about Heavys threatening and intimidating loss of control....but the fact is very clear...the first person and only person to make threats was Heavy the night before when he turned on Bear thinking he had vandalised his bed. The person making threats in the bedroom was Heavy.
I can understand why Bear felt it so unfare that he was locked up like a criminal and Heavy got off Scott free and was tucked up in his bed.

But no way Chloe would even look at D regardless of Bear

[-Sue-]

Saying 'Bear hasn't done anything wrong' is like saying fish do not swim in water!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Saying 'Bear hasn't done anything wrong' is like saying fish do not swim in water!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bear has done a lot of things wrong but that's CBB...Tiffay, Frankie Cacozza, Frenchie, Denise Welch, James Jordan are some examples....but Bear hasn't done the things wrong he's being accused of....he hasn't behaved as badly as Heavy D, Aubrey and in some people's opinion Biggins...he hasn't threatened anyone or turned aggressive with anyone...both times he's lost his cool he was alone ..and he hasn't spit in someone's food and he hasn't labelled people unstable like Siara did about him.
He's no angel and people either want to see that or they don't but IMO BB locked the wrong person in the diary room.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Bear has done a lot of things wrong but that's CBB...Tiffay, Frankie Cacozza, Frenchie, Denise Welch, James Jordan are some examples....but Bear hasn't done the things wrong he's being accused of....he hasn't behaved as badly as Heavy D, Aubrey and in some people's opinion Biggins...he hasn't threatened anyone or turned aggressive with anyone...both times he's lost his cool he was alone ..and he hasn't spit in someone's food and he hasn't labelled people unstable like Siara did about him.
He's no angel and people either want to see that or they don't but IMO BB locked the wrong person in the diary room.

Wasting our time here hot2go,I hate prejudice so am off this thread.
Good luck to you and I think you are spot on for the record, and being fair.

Really stunned at some of the unexpected lines some have taken here,people I believed were fair.

I would love to see how they really reacted to being forcibly locked in small room for not threatening anyone and not being told how long they would be there, not also being able to talk to anyone else directly face to face either.

I actually think as I certainly would for sure, they would be furious and demand to be out.

No one here has said he didn't do some wrong, he did not do all the wrong but no way should be forced to be locked up for an indefinite period.
This thread has changed my mind on how I see some on here.
Really dismays me.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Wasting our time here hot2go,I hate prejudice so am off this thread.
Good luck to you and I think you are spot on for the record, and being fair.

Really stunned at some of the unexpected lines some have taken here,people I believed were fair.

I would love to see how they really reacted to being forcibly locked in small room for not threatening anyone and not being told how long they would be there, not also being able to talk to anyone else directly face to face either.

I actually think as I certainly would for sure, they would be furious and demand to be out.

No one here has said he didn't do some wrong, he did not do all the wrong but no way should be forced to be locked up for an indefinite period.
This thread has changed my mind on how I see some on here.
Really dismays me.

Me too Joey

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Wasting our time here hot2go,I hate prejudice so am off this thread.
Good luck to you and I think you are spot on for the record, and being fair.

Really stunned at some of the unexpected lines some have taken here,people I believed were fair.

I would love to see how they really reacted to being forcibly locked in small room for not threatening anyone and not being told how long they would be there, not also being able to talk to anyone else directly face to face either.

I actually think as I certainly would for sure, they would be furious and demand to be out.

No one here has said he didn't do some wrong, he did not do all the wrong but no way should be forced to be locked up for an indefinite period.
This thread has changed my mind on how I see some on here.
Really dismays me.

This thread hasn't changed my mind on how I see some people it just reinforced it

Maybe this time next week they will all dislike Heavy D just like they dislike Biggins after calling him a National Treasure for the previous seven days .

[Jan S]

you know i don't like bear, but this thread is another example along the lines of the charlie-jason dichotomy: bear seems to be able to polarise opinions.

the scary thing is people are all watching the same thing - but seeing something completely different to eachother.

[hot2go]

It's clear that if people cross Bear he doesn't just lay back and take it....he goes for them...Heavy turned on him the night before and in doing so he betrayed him....Renee lied to him and laughed behind his back the night before and in doing so also betrayed him...Bear set out to upset them both the way they upset him...by kissing Chloe he killed two bird with one stone....no threats, no fights, just a kiss...clever IMO....Heavy isn't mature enough to take rejection from Chloe and he isn't mature enough to take responsibility for Bears reaction to his threats the day before. Yes Bear was winding him up, just like Heavy has been winding people up since he arrived. If Heavy chose to react with threats that makes him wrong not Bear.

[Tom4784]

He's a repulsive destructive bully and he's done plenty wrong in that house.

[Jake.]

of course he did something wrong lol

[Clootie Dumpling]

"Bear did absolutely nothing wrong"?

Bollocks!

[Maru]

Coming in late and read first half of the thread. Skimmed the rest. Wow. I'm not sure who was enraged more, Bear or this thread


A few points to touch on

1. I think saying it could potentially be claustrophobia or some other similar psyche reaction is underestimating Bear's intelligence. He's a smart cookie. They have a responsibility to maintain order and safety for all the HM's. No doubt they are asked all kinds of health and security related questions before they go in like "Can you handle being locked in small placess?", etc. The HM's also have had that chance to raise other concerns they may have beforehand about entering. So that's full stop not a reason. I'm not a producer, but I'm sure there is a detailed contract, rule-book or otherwise some kind of outline that protects production from litigation in the event they have to use extreme measures (like having the security guard beat up Bear) to maintain security in the house.

2. It also makes sense if you consider that Bear's overall temperament is not at all, in any shape or form, stable. He reminds me of a grown child with ADHD. Some of these people have drug histories. From an experienced standpoint it's not unreasonable to consider when certain individuals are put under certain pressure for a length of time and are without a coping mechanism (such as drugs, cig, etc) to manage, that can cause some people to subsequently implode. I know that sounds silly, but with how common drug abuse is in the celebrity/fame world, it's at least a remote possibility.

3. It's not even just his temper they have to worry about. It's his propensity to create fireworks for camera time. He doesn't seem like the type of person to care if he ends up being kicked out for "being a little out of order". In fact, he seems to think his job and character is being out of order. He has already shown that he is willing to go over and beyond even people's most aggressive predictions of his behavior. We only see 45 minutes. Imagine too that this is what the HM's and the producers have to deal with all day. For all we know, this was the climax of small minor things that eventually ended up in a blowup.

4. Say for example though that some people here are right. BB was wrong to hold him for so long even if they felt he was a genuine threat. Would it have been better if they called the police to come manage and then he be charged? I don't know UK laws, but destruction of property usually ends up in a trip to jail in the US. Which leads to my last point...

5. Big Brother doesn't want to upset or otherwise make problems for themselves with regards to Bear. They want to continue to work with him because in their eyes he is making great television. Why else feature him each and every episode?

That said, my own personal take...

I do agree that him being locked up likely raged him more.

Secondly, I thought their timing was awkwardly timed and dodgy. He seemed to be going on for some time by the time they called him in. I though after he threw the whatever he threw, he looked like he may have even been calming down.

We can't forget he gets a lot of leeway already in the fact that they rarely reign it in. It's entirely possible it went on for quite a while building before they intervened. I don't think anyone expected him to break a mirror? They may have found that alarming and thought he is too much of a liability to even risk letting back into the house.

Thirdly, if we're going to follow the logic here what Big Brother was OTT (regarding the extended lockdown) and that they lost control of the situation, then we also have to concede that well--if it was so wrong and that they still felt he was really that much of a risk to send back in, they should've just ejected him instead. That would've been the optimal solution I think.

Instead they reigned him in hoping to save their precious golden boy from doing something to implicate himself which would've left them with no choice but to eject him. That is the more likely what was going on with regard to the reasoning I think.