[Ammi]

..I think it is up to her what she puts into her body and I don't think she was irresponsible either, from what she's said and the amount of units she drank, she was very informed and measured in her alcohol intake in pregnancy...but it isn't up to her who sells it to her and he was within his rights to refuse anyone he doesn't feel comfortable with serving for whatever reasons, which he did....I think it's unfortunate that people can't make judgement calls in their employment without the added worry that it'll become 'viral'....

[MTVN]

Is that his right to refuse service? He doesn't get to decide company policy, a week or two back I posted the story of the EDL leader getting refused service in Selfridges, in that case everyone thought the shop worker was in the wrong because it wasn't his place to decline someone service and the store agreed, suspended the worker, and gave Tommy Robinson a slap up lunch for free. I would say the same applies here; the barman was acting not in accordance with his bar policy and therefore made a mistake

[GypsyGoth]

Drunk babies are great fun!

[Kizzy]

You're not helping gypsy you little tinker!

[GypsyGoth]

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Drunk babies are great fun!

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Skyes christening

We do have one somewhere where she looks pissed and is next to my wkd bottle but I cant find it /responsible parent

But yeah, I dont think it was because this woman was so desperate for a drink, more the way the bartender made her feel tbh. Its unacceptable, and I doubt so many would agree if it was something else thats bad in pregnancy.. A larger (but still obviously) pregnant person gets refused a meal in mcdonalds..sounds ridiculous, yes? But junk food is just as bad for baby as drink is. Just theres a huge stigma attached to alcohol, even when drank sensibly.

Also LOL at the sex thing. Yeah, blokes wouldnt be impressed then at all and I'm sure that would be one of the 'rules' that should be ignored

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Zee

alcohol is for getting drunk.

When you're 15, maybe. I doubt her intention was to get blottoed. Some people drink wine with any meal.

[Ninastar]

I'm all for letting and idiot be an idiot and leave them to deal with the consequences, but when there's someone who doesn't get a choice involved (the unborn baby) then I'd have my say and not allow it.

Like others are saying, if she's that embarrassed, don't go crying to the media about it.

and as for the whole, 'everything isn't allowed at one point' argument, alcohol is something that is a risk to anyone, never mind a person who is with child.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I'm all for letting and idiot be an idiot and leave them to deal with the consequences, but when there's someone who doesn't get a choice involved (the unborn baby) then I'd have my say and not allow it.

Like others are saying, if she's that embarrassed, don't go crying to the media about it.

and as for the whole, 'everything isn't allowed at one point' argument, alcohol is something that is a risk to anyone, never mind a person who is with child.

So is pretty much everything. Depending which experts you listen to.

Nothings harmful in moderation IMO. Except for obvious things like smack that get you hooked immediately

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So is pretty much everything. Depending which experts you listen to.

Yeah but alcohol more so than pretty much anything else you could put into your body short of actual poison or something. Experts saying "carrots are bad for your unborn foetus" is one thing (for example) but in general carrots are good for you. There are no real positive health benefits with alcohol, other than that in moderation (key word) red wine isn't bad for you.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

When you're 15, maybe. I doubt her intention was to get blottoed. Some people drink wine with any meal.

I didn't say "getting wasted and getting an ambulance home", I said getting drunk. You cannot possibly refute that fact that alcohol gets you drunk, and wine is a kind of alcohol. These are facts?!?!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

Yeah but alcohol more so than pretty much anything else you could put into your body short of actual poison or something. Experts saying "carrots are bad for your unborn foetus" is one thing (for example) but in general carrots are good for you. There are no real positive health benefits with alcohol, other than that in moderation (key word) red wine isn't bad for you.

Exactly..moderation

It just seems these days that anything to do with alcohol is immediately bad. When most people have the ****ing sense not to get totally bladdered and most mature people do not drink with the sole thought of getting pissed out of their skulls.

The judgement of this woman on here..and by the bartender, for wanting one glass of wine is ridiculous I think :S

I could understand it if she was on a bender or something (I know a woman who drank like a fish when pregnant, and I did tell her in no uncertain terms that she was a ***********) but really..one glass. When even the hospital tell you to do it?

[Vanessa]

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Exactly..moderation

It just seems these days that anything to do with alcohol is immediately bad. When most people have the ****ing sense not to get totally bladdered and most mature people do not drink with the sole thought of getting pissed out of their skulls.

The judgement of this woman on here..and by the bartender, for wanting one glass of wine is ridiculous I think :S

I could understand it if she was on a bender or something (I know a woman who drank like a fish when pregnant, and I did tell her in no uncertain terms that she was a ***********) but really..one glass. When even the hospital tell you to do it?

I've been defending the barman throughout this thread though - his job is to serve paying customers. Sometimes he will have to make a judgment call about the well being of customers because if he serves someone one drink too many, he could indirectly cause that person any number of possible problems - they might fall off a bridge, be raped, walk into traffic, need their stomach pumped... the list goes on. Falling in line with that, the barman's judgment was that this heavily pregnant woman shouldn't be drinking alcohol because he didn't want anything on his conscience. Evidently he is not informed about the risks or lack of associated with drinking alcohol while pregnant, but like many other people, he will have been taught that pregnancy and alcohol should never mix. How is he supposed to know that this woman follows a strict routine as advised by her doctor? I'm sure he'd rather be given into trouble for not serving her than serving her and worrying about it when he went to bed that night.

[Josy]

This is the way I think of the drinking during pregnancy thing.

Would you fill your month old baby's bottle with 125ml of red wine? NO!

So why drink it while pregnant when what you eat and drink is your unborn childs only source of nourishment...

I know not everyone agree's with that but that's my opinion on it.

Also not all doctors or health professional's say a little bit of alcohol does no harm, some actually say

No level of alcohol consumption is considered safe during pregnancy.

That was quoted from a childrens health website.

[Vicky.]

I have my BIIAB certificate having gone on the course about licensing and stuff, and there is nothing at all about serving pregnant women involved in the course (though I do think there SHOULD be some kind of guidelines..) From the managers response, he had never been told to refuse either.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have my BIIAB certificate having gone on the course about licensing and stuff, and there is nothing at all about serving pregnant women involved in the course (though I do think there SHOULD be some kind of guidelines..) From the managers response, he had never been told to refuse either.

But then how often does that happen? I can't imagine there are many pregnant women asking for alcohol. I just can't get my head around people drinking regularly throughout their pregnancy, no matter how little it is or how safe it supposedly is.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Josy

This is the way I think of the drinking during pregnancy thing.

Would you fill your month old baby's bottle with 125ml of red wine? NO!

So why drink it while pregnant when what you eat and drink is your unborn childs only source of nourishment...

I know not everyone agree's with that but that's my opinion on it.

Also not all doctors or health professional's say a little bit of alcohol does no harm, some actually say



That was quoted from a childrens health website.

Thats not how it works though? The baby gets a tiny percentage of what you have. And it tends to be all of the good stuff too. Which is why you are advised to eat well soyou have some good left for you too..as in a way the baby is like a parasite (sounds awful that mind) and it takes away all of the nutrients, and leaves you with this rubbish

This is apparently how I got anemia..as I didnt know I should have been eating extra iron..and everything I was having went to the baby

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thats not how it works though? The baby gets a tiny percentage of what you have. And it tends to be all of the good stuff too. Which is why you are advised to eat well soyou have some good left for you too..as in a way the baby is like a parasite (sounds awful that mind) and it takes away all of the nutrients, and leaves you with this rubbish

This is apparently how I got anemia..as I didnt know I should have been eating extra iron..and everything I was having went to the baby

They are still getting some of that alcohol into their systems..I just find that wrong.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zee

But then how often does that happen? I can't imagine there are many pregnant women asking for alcohol. I just can't get my head around people drinking regularly throughout their pregnancy, no matter how little it is or how safe it supposedly is.

I would imagine a lot more often than you would think, especially in places that serve food.

When I worked in bars, we used to get pregnant women coming in after a days shop, for a half on their way home. I dont see the problem really

As I said earlier though, if those same women had decided to stay for the night and started ordering a load of shots or something, I would have also refused.

I cant find it in me to judge someone for something so small, especially after the hospital advised me to actually drink when in labour

[Kizzy]

It would be interesting to find out how 125ml of fluid at 8% ABV is metabolised in the body when taken with food wouldn't it?

[Marc]

This woman has only just brought on un-needed judgement from us on her.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

This woman has only just brought on un-needed judgement from us on her.

No she hasn't because not everyone is judging her.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No she hasn't because not everyone is judging her.

Yes she has because some have judged her?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marc

Yes she has because some have judged her?

Some haven't... that's a debate isn't it?
She has raised awareness, it's a talking point.