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Old 31-10-2015, 02:33 AM #151
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chromosomes are physical. so yes, it is.
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chromosomes are physical. so yes, it is.
Do I have to explain?

That was in response to a contradictory comment from JoshBB who claimed gender has nothing to do with physical attributes before commenting that it's obvious looking at this person what gender they want to be.
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..I'm glad that she's been transferred to a female prison and although extremely grim for her, it's good that it's been highlighted about transgender people who are still going through the transition in situations like this because it's obviously a bit of a grey area...I also wonder if her many years on replacement hormone and depression medication have had any bearing on her aggression so I hope that she has some help for that as well, if that's the case...
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I signed a petition against this the other day, its so dumb
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..I'm glad that she's been transferred to a female prison and although extremely grim for her, it's good that it's been highlighted about transgender people who are still going through the transition in situations like this because it's obviously a bit of a grey area...I also wonder if her many years on replacement hormone and depression medication have had any bearing on her aggression so I hope that she has some help for that as well, if that's the case...
Oh she has? Thats good then
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Oh she has? Thats good then
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..I signed it also, I think it was maybe any TiBB members signing that got them worried tbh.../you don't mess with us, eh...
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Has he had the gender reassignment surgery?
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If she hadn't changed her document over to say she is a women its her own fault just because you look like a women doesn't mean you should be treated like that if your ID says your a man
What the ****? It takes a very long time to be able to get the surgery in the first place, you have to go through hormone treatments and the money for the surgery as well.

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At the end of the day she is a criminal whynshould she get special treatmen?

She is no more at risk then the young vulnerable lads that go in if someone has rape on there mind there going to rape anyone no matter what they look like and that is unfortunately the type of world we live in.
It's not special treatment, she's a female.

That's completely irrelevant tho?

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Lmao the whole 'think of my safety' plea doesn't really wash with me after she admitted to attacking someone I'm afraid.
Well if a women (like she is) was placed in a male prison I bet you'll think differently.

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She committed the crime she deals with the punishment she doesn't get to choose what prison she goes too.

If her document say she is legally a man I'm sorry but the law has to treat her as a man until she provides more proof then just her looks that's how the law works.
She's not ****ing choosing she is female.

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OK I want all the vulnerable teens removed from prison because of the daily abuse they get.

Let's see how far this debate goes.
Again that's completely irrelevant.

I'm glad she got moved, and Dezzy in this thread
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Can I just say this reffering to some people on here. If you don't know what a transgender is, how the transition works or about the identity issues that they have, then just stay away from this thread cause some people on here have already appeared majorly transphobic.
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Can I just say this reffering to some people on here. If you don't know what a transgender is, how the transition works or about the identity issues that they have, then just stay away from this thread cause some people on here have already appeared majorly transphobic.
This thread is about the law of the land not gender issues

If people cannot see that then this thread is not for them
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Can I just say this reffering to some people on here. If you don't know what a transgender is, how the transition works or about the identity issues that they have, then just stay away from this thread cause some people on here have already appeared majorly transphobic.
This thread is a debate on a forum about a women in prison not about her gender oh and for the record you have no right to tell any member where they can and can't post
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What the ****? It takes a very long time to be able to get the surgery in the first place, you have to go through hormone treatments and the money for the surgery as well.



It's not special treatment, she's a female.

That's completely irrelevant tho?



Well if a women (like she is) was placed in a male prison I bet you'll think differently.



She's not ****ing choosing she is female.



Again that's completely irrelevant.

I'm glad she got moved, and Dezzy in this thread
Why is it irreverent? It's quite common knowledge that rape exist a lot in prison but look at responses in this thread you would think only trans/women bare raped.

Rape is not about whether you look like a man or women its about power and a rapist will find anybody vulnerable to show there authority.

Also no rape has been confirmed its just made up by people trying to be heroes on this subject.
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What if the top dog recruits this person as their muscle and they have an unfair strength advantage against all the women in there.The top dog will be unbeatable.Or if another prisoner recruits this person and they take down the top dog?The dynamics in the prison will totally change.It worked for Bea Smith when she recruited a ******.She was unstopable after that.Unless the governer is a psychopath and tries to take the top dog down.But will the governer out smart her?Who knows.
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..it's not about the law though..the law decides and decided her sentencing of 12 weeks but it doesn't decide whether a male or female prison is the one where the sentence is served, that's for the prison service to do and that decision has now transferred her to a female prison...the law is obviously also quite grey on this...for a transgender during transition and before the final surgery because she is a female, living as and medically declared a female ../so that situation has to be addressed for any possible other similar cases...
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This thread is a debate on a forum about a women in prison not about her gender oh and for the record you have no right to tell any member where they can and can't post
If this thread is about prison then why have you made wrong comments about transgenders yourself?
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Get your facts right I replied to comments about transgenders
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Oops, I didn't noticed I said 'he' in my first post, although I would have thought it was obvious it was a mistake by me referring to her with female pronouns through the rest of my posts
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It is clear from the fact that she is transitioning that she wants to be associated with the female gender.

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Not true. Sex and gender are different things.
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This thread is about the law of the land not gender issues

If people cannot see that then this thread is not for them
. This thread about how the law views her, and her not getting her legal documents sorted. If you turn up at the airport with an out of date passport and are refused permission to fly, it's not down to the airport staff to sort it for you, and its not their fault you can't fly, this case is no different
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Oops, I didn't noticed I said 'he' in my first post, although I would have thought it was obvious it was a mistake by me referring to her with female pronouns through the rest of my posts
Don't worry Liam - It confuses me.
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gender
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the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
"traditional concepts of gender"

But the waters were muddied by her reportedly still having Male genitalia, and also not completing the necessary documentation, so by law 'SHE' was still a 'HE' - irrespective of 'Gender'.

If I was in prison and she was put into my cell, I would treat her as a female - but then again, that has been the exact problem; that male prisoners would do exactly that - hasn't it?

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Generally regularly hard to understand the thinking or logic at times or sentencing by Magistrates, they are a law unto themselves and this is disgraceful.
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I wholeheartedly agree Joey. A disgrace.
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. This thread about how the law views her, and her not getting her legal documents sorted. If you turn up at the airport with an out of date passport and are refused permission to fly, it's not down to the airport staff to sort it for you, and its not their fault you can't fly, this case is no different
I disagree. An airport refusing you service due to your documents is not the same as a court knowingly putting you into a potentially dangerous situation due to pedantics. An airport does not have a duty of care towards customers with the wrong documents but the courts and prisons have that duty and they can not willingly endanger a prisoner. The magistrates should have considered her circumstances before they put her into a dangerous mismatched prison that doesn't have the resources to to fulfill the Duty of Care towards her.
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It might be a little off topic (I'm losing track with this thread lol) but I just want to say (because there's been a lot of talk about her still have a penis) that we may not know the full reasons behind why she hasn't undergone the 'full' physical transformation yet. It might not necessarily be choice. I think I've mentioned before that I've got a friend who is a female to male transsexual and for a long time he lived as a man without having the final operation done. There was a lot of red tape for him to get through and for ages he was refused surgery by the psychologists assessing him for quite complex reasons (even though all the other surgeries had been agreed on and completed!), so for a while he was in a physical state of half and half I suppose you could say, but that wasn't his fault. And of course medical information like that is generally confidential and so it may not have been reported on in this case. I'm just saying that it might not be her fault or choice that not all the surgeries are completed.
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