[The Slim Reaper]

[glib]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Sooooo if P&O are losing £1 million per day how on Earth does sacking 800 people then replacing them with cheaper workers going to help matters ??

Even if each new worker accepts £50 per day less ( unlikely) that only saves £40,000 per day .. especially if they are going to have to shell out thousands in severance payments


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Saves them £120k a day

[glib]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well what a surprise...

Sources at the DfT said it was made aware of the impending mass sackings and suspension of ferry services on Wednesday night.

Boris Johnson’s official spokesperson had said on Thursday: “We weren’t given any notice to this.”

He confirmed on Friday that senior officials at the DfT had first been informed about the firm’s plan on Wednesday evening but had kept the information within a small group, because of concerns about commercial sensitivity.

The spokesperson said ministers were investigating whether P&O Ferries broke the law, describing the firm’s behaviour as “extreme”.

“We expect companies to treat their employees fairly. It is only in extreme circumstances that employers need to make extreme decisions to secure the future of their businesses if all other avenues have failed, including negotiations between employer and employees.

“We don’t believe this was the case for P&O staff,” he said, adding: “We are looking into this very carefully



https://www.theguardian.com/business...ing-says-union

Well Kizzy if you didn’t know Boris doesn’t work in the Department for Transport anymore

[Crimson Dynamo]

are Ferries viable in today's market?

apart from say in Scotland to serve Islands?

[Beso]

Maybe we need their fleet of ships for something else.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

apart from say in Scotland to serve Islands?

Those aren't viable either, they're 1) already subsidised, 2) ancient and 3) constantly having maintenance issues.

Source: My sister lives on an island.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by glib

Saves them £120k a day

How !?

They can’t be saving £150 a day per person surely !!

How much are they flaming well earning per day !!?


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[glib]

Originally Posted by Zizu

How !?

They can’t be saving £150 a day per person surely !!

How much are they flaming well earning per day !!?


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You have calculated someone on £2 an hour will save the company £40k a day

Assuming all the 800 got sacked were earning a min of £8 an hour

Thats x4 = £160k - 40k = £120k

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So who had "slave ships" on their dystopian apocalypse bingo?

Erm I said Brexit was a way to rid the UK of workers rights in 2016 does that count?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Erm I said Brexit was a way to rid the UK of workers rights in 2016 does that count?

no because it was an incorrect politically biased blanket statement that was made not to inform but to inflame based on tribal politics

it was a highly inflated claim that was made as a jibe

not as an actual forecast

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by glib

Well Kizzy if you didn’t know Boris doesn’t work in the Department for Transport anymore

Who said he did?... the Dft knew that's bad enough.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no because it was an incorrect politically biased blanket statement that was made not to inform but to inflame based on tribal politics

it was a highly inflated claim that was made as a jibe

not as an actual forecast

It was an accurate prediction on the direction of post Brexit policy under a conservative government.

Not made as anything other than a suggestion based on my personal observations on what may and may not be affected if a yes vote was the outcome of the referendum.

It was not influenced by or expressed by any Labour MP at the time. Your accusations are groundless.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no because it was an incorrect politically biased blanket statement that was made not to inform but to inflame based on tribal politics

it was a highly inflated claim that was made as a jibe

not as an actual forecast

I mean... the whole topic of this thread suggests that it was not an inflated claim at all...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean... the whole topic of this thread suggests that it was not an inflated claim at all...

employment law was never the same throughout europe. I worked for a dutch based company at one time and when they reduced staff, the majority of staff went from the uk because it was almost imposible to dump staff in holland or france. Brexit hasn't helped because rights can deviate even further now, but employers have always been favoured in the uk over employees

[arista]

[arista]

Conservatives are looking into
Legal action, slowly.

I am sure P&O were aware of the Fines,
but still went ahead Swapping Proper Paid workers
for £2:60 an hour, crew.

Also
DP world Logistics Dubai (they own P&O Ferries)
has contracts on some of
the new UK Free Ports
The Conservatives are locked in to that.




Sign Of The Times

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

How !?

They can’t be saving £150 a day per person surely !!

How much are they flaming well earning per day !!?


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Its not just the pay..they will no longer be responsible for paying pension contributions, holiday and sick pay or any other contracted rights like maternity/paternity

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by arista

Conservatives are looking into
Legal action, slowly.

I am sure P&O were aware of the Fines,
but still went ahead Swapping Proper Paid workers
for £2:60 an hour, crew.

Also
DP world Logistics Dubai (they own P&O Ferries)
has contracts on some of
the new UK Free Ports
The Conservatives are locked in to that.




Sign Of The Times

Disgraceful!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its not just the pay..they will no longer be responsible for paying pension contributions, holiday and sick pay or any other contracted rights like maternity/paternity

Surely this is against the law?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Disgraceful!

Yes Contract to Free trade Ports
are already on going

DP World Logistics, Dubai
have power of their Government.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Its not just the pay..they will no longer be responsible for paying pension contributions, holiday and sick pay or any other contracted rights like maternity/paternity

What about their replacements. ?


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Conservatives are looking into
Legal action, slowly.

I am sure P&O were aware of the Fines,
but still went ahead Swapping Proper Paid workers
for £2:60 an hour, crew.

Also
DP world Logistics Dubai (they own P&O Ferries)
has contracts on some of
the new UK Free Ports
The Conservatives are locked in to that.




Sign Of The Times

Well if we ( the government) have pumped billions into P&O over the Covid period then they must be made to either reinstate all the workers plus compensate them all as well ! Alternatively seize control of all the company assets


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[glib]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Surely this is against the law?

Well so is their £2 wage but if they’re not working on the mainland are the laws applicable

[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well if we ( the government) have pumped billions into P&O over the Covid period then they must be made to either reinstate all the workers plus compensate them all as well ! Alternatively seize control of all the company assets


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BA did exactly the same with no consequence

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

BA did exactly the same with no consequence

That’s simply disgraceful


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