[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…it’s all a very layered psychology because Abbie also knew that her father had been killed to rescue/save Ellie so she was aware of another strong emotional bond in a world of there being no good people or bad people, they were all just doing what they needed to do…

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Well... as they cover quite well in the game and show... Joel actually didn't have to kill Abby's dad (the doctor). He definitely had to kill the fireflies who were trying to stop him from getting to the operating room, but he could have gotten Ellie out without killing the medical team.

...I say the whole team because in the original game I killed the doc plus both nurses before the cutscene even triggered . Guess I'm worse than Joel .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

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Well... as they cover quite well in the game and show... Joel actually didn't have to kill Abby's dad (the doctor). He definitely had to kill the fireflies who were trying to stop him from getting to the operating room, but he could have gotten Ellie out without killing the medical team.

...I say the whole team because in the original game I killed the doc plus both nurses before the cutscene even triggered . Guess I'm worse than Joel .

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…I have to say in the context of a game, I would have cleared everyone standing off that screen as well…I like your style…

[Ammi]

…..this was an excellent episode……

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… so well timed of Jesse……he came from nowhere just when they needed someone to come from nowhere…the end scene was brutal…:/….

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…..this was an excellent episode……

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… so well timed of Jesse……he came from nowhere just when they needed someone to come from nowhere…the end scene was brutal…:/….

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They jumped quite a bit ahead in the game. Nora doesn’t get killed until much later originally. Ellie kills one of the others first in a more brutal/revengeful fashion

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

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They jumped quite a bit ahead in the game. Nora doesn’t get killed until much later originally. Ellie kills one of the others first in a more brutal/revengeful fashion

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…I wonder if we are going to get episode(s) through the eyes of Abby and through her path or whether the series storyline will follow Dina’s words of …it doesn’t matter what Joel did, brutal revenge is all there is…

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…I wonder if we are going to get episode(s) through the eyes of Abby and through her path or whether the series storyline will follow Dina’s words of …it doesn’t matter what Joel did, brutal revenge is all there is…

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I reckon that will be season 3, Abby’s story

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

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I reckon that will be season 3, Abby’s story

….it was a great and riveting episode…

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…I just felt a bit sickened at the end scene because I wanted Ellie to be more Joel-like than Abby-like in the torturous killing method…

[Ammi]

…but though…

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…I loved the very last few seconds that feel as though next week will all be in retrospect of Ellie and Joel’s bond and in brighter times…remembering him in life, rather than in torturous death…

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…but though…

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…I loved the very last few seconds that feel as though next week will all be in retrospect of Ellie and Joel’s bond and in brighter times…remembering him in life, rather than in torturous death…

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Yeah, we were due a Joel episode. It’s gonna be a sad episode.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

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Yeah, we were due a Joel episode. It’s gonna be a sad episode.

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…I know, I know…we’re going to lose him all over again…

[Cherie]

Lasts nights episode had everthing, it was excellent....just a bit confused by

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the ending why the random flashback?

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Lasts nights episode had everthing, it was excellent....just a bit confused by

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the ending why the random flashback?

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It's just leading up to the next episode, we're going to see some things that happened after they moved to Jackson

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

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It's just leading up to the next episode, we're going to see some things that happened after they moved to Jackson

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…yeah, I’ve been waiting for the flashbacks that everyone who is familiar with the game has said will happen…and they obviously have moved the story forward now to a point where Ellie and Abby are going to meet up again so this is now when it’ll go back to seeing why Joel and Ellie’s relationship had ended up being what it was and very non communicative from her perspective…?…as Ben said, I think that Abby’s perspective/back story with her dad maybe…?…will possibly be the basis of Season 3…

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

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It's just leading up to the next episode, we're going to see some things that happened after they moved to Jackson

ah thanks that make sense, it was just so random at the end

[Ammi]

…wow, an amazing episode……

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…so filled with highs and lows of the best of Joel and Ellie’s relationship to the very worst in how/why it deteriorated and became what we saw right at the beginning of the season…also explaining the difficult relationship with Joel and Gail as well…I loved Ellie’s birthdays and how special Joel always made them but he sadly never gave her the one thing that she came to want most…her individuality and the freedom to make her own choices and honesty from him to help make those choices…such a great episode and creating that full circle from Joel’s own last with his father…

[user104658]

I dunno mang... I'm trying really hard to like it/to just see it as a completely different story, but they're absolutely wrecking "Older Ellie" as a character this season. Some of the decisions with the changes are straight up bad... aspects of the character make very little narrative sense.

[edit to add] Season 1 was spot on BTW, something has changed drastically for season 2.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I dunno mang... I'm trying really hard to like it/to just see it as a completely different story, but they're absolutely wrecking "Older Ellie" as a character this season. Some of the decisions with the changes are straight up bad... aspects of the character make very little narrative sense.

[edit to add] Season 1 was spot on BTW, something has changed drastically for season 2.

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In what way?

[Ammi]

…thing is…for me and other viewers who haven’t been familiar with any game storyline and are just looking at it as a stand alone plot and stand alone characters etc…

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…I think the last episode was excellent in showing that breakdown of the relationship with Joel and Ellie that we had seen at the beginning at the from the dance scenes but hadn’t really understood…and also that difficult relationship with the character of Gail was fully explained also…I didn’t really think that I could see Joel as anything other than someone who did what he needed to do …but he didn’t give Ellie the chance to decide whether she wanted to ‘fulfil her destiny/her purpose’ in what she could have meant to others…what she could have meant to humankind, really…and in doing that he didn’t give others, potentially so many others to be disease/virus free….what he did, even doing it for love was pretty horrendous….

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

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In what way?

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Well for one they've at times made Ellie seem a bit thick - Ellie is meant to be clever/resourceful... yes early in game at one point she's saved by Dina, but in the show I swear they're making it seem like she wouldn't last 5 minutes on her own. That part aside... her still having the jokey/upbeat nature of S1 Ellie makes ZERO narrative sense. TLOU2 Ellie is rage-fuelled, depressed, and single-minded and the character HAS to be that because -- objectively speaking -- the Seattle mission is a suicide mission. They're entering a strange city full of soldiers to track down and kill a group of killers. Ellie being unable to see past her rage and trauma is half the plot. But the show has her wisecrackin' and telling jokes like "young Ellie" ... the whole point is that Joel's death broke her ... the Ellie who is in the headspace of the Ellie in the show wouldn't be in Seattle. You could argue that she's masking her trauma but if that's what it's meant to be, it's not selling. The key example I suppose is the "I suck at math and don't know what a protractor is hehe" scene... shocking writing IMO. Like yes it's fine as a throwaway joke. Prolly not when Dina is in the process of trying to figure out where Joel's killer is in a city full of soldiers . It would only make sense if she was more herself/jokey when distracted/when they're just hanging out, before getting back to business. Joking about the actual search? It does not make sense.

And don't get me started on Dina's "I'd track them down forever and never stop" speech like wtf that is going to be a major stumbling block later on, unless they've entirely changed another crucial part of the plot and theme . Show Dina is also out for revenge. Game Dina is only there because she loves Ellie. It's a huge and important plot distinction. And [double spoilers] it's going to make Dina look like an absolute dick if the post-seattle farm/2nd mission/return plays out the same way.

I'm not a stickler for adaptations changing things from original version but with this they're doing something really odd; changing major details like this, whilst NOT changing the overall direction of the plot/major "set piece" moments, and the result doesn't make sense. Like by all means change it but that would have knock on effects.

[Ammi]

….I just realised yesterday when I saw that a finale trailer was showing on NOW TV…that Monday is the final episode of season 2…

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….I just realised yesterday when I saw that a finale trailer was showing on NOW TV…that Monday is the final episode of season 2…

It has gone so quickly!!

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….I just realised yesterday when I saw that a finale trailer was showing on NOW TV…that Monday is the final episode of season 2…

What already!? It doesn’t feel anywhere near ready for a finale.

I guess why they are doing that is it’ll be a natural start for Abby’s story for season 3 to lead back into season 4 with both of them. I imagine that won’t be too long for a release either.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

What already!?

…yeah it’s just a 7 episode season, I think…it was 8 for the first season so one less than that…

[user104658]

I suspect they filmed both seasons back to back and S3 will release early next year.

Its still been far too short of a run though, it feels rushed and some of the things they've conflated to shorten it... I still just dunno.

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In the last episode the conversation outaide Joel's house where she says she wants to try to forgive him... In the game the scene where she finally gets him to admit what happened was months earlier (and is the reason for their rift). The flashback scene outside the house, after the party where she says she wants to try to forgive him, is LATE in the story - you don't know that happened until after you've seen all the events of seattle. She says she wants to try, they make vague plans to watch a movie at Joel's after patrol the next day (which never happens of course, because that's when he dies). It makes her mission make even more sense.

This show way just doesn't make sense honestly. He finally admits the truth and 30 seconds later she's ready to try to fix the relationship because he says "Love you kiddo". It's not clicking! And as above the worst part of that really is that it's been done to rush the story forward... And it feels rushed.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I suspect they filmed both seasons back to back and S3 will release early next year.

Its still been far too short of a run though, it feels rushed and some of the things they've conflated to shorten it... I still just dunno.

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In the last episode the conversation outaide Joel's house where she says she wants to try to forgive him... In the game the scene where she finally gets him to admit what happened was months earlier (and is the reason for their rift). The flashback scene outside the house, after the party where she says she wants to try to forgive him, is LATE in the story - you don't know that happened until after you've seen all the events of seattle. She says she wants to try, they make vague plans to watch a movie at Joel's after patrol the next day (which never happens of course, because that's when he dies). It makes her mission make even more sense.

This show way just doesn't make sense honestly. He finally admits the truth and 30 seconds later she's ready to try to fix the relationship because he says "Love you kiddo". It's not clicking! And as above the worst part of that really is that it's been done to rush the story forward... And it feels rushed.

Looks like they’re filming season 3 this summer.

I agree though it has felt very rushed. I’m unsure why they didn’t decide to make this a ten episode season to cover this part of the game in more detail.