[Sticks]

What about the ethic cleansing desires of Hamas?

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Sticks

What about the ethic cleansing desires of Hamas?

Exactly! Liberal leftys still desires this. They are calling Jews as a nazis, yet they wanna wipe em off the earth. Muslims (Iran, Syria and Palestine are good examples). Peace and love, peace and love....

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by bansheewails

You know what, I think the middle east situation is abit like Northern Ireland. There is no answer except forgive and forget, and lets face it thats a really hard thing to do if your family has been directly effected. One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.

The point of history is to learn from our mistakes, sadly as we are human we just go on with the mistakes.

Talk with all sides is the only answer and look how long it took all the main parties in the north to get in the same room, never mind talk.

Extremely well said. sorry about double posting, but this is a important point of view. Sad thing is that "liberals" from US and EU are forgetting that religions is behind all of this (especially muslims).

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Extremely well said. sorry about double posting, but this is a important point of view. Sad thing is that "liberals" from US and EU are forgetting that religions is behind all of this (especially muslims).

Of course it is an Islam thing. A Koran thing. It is a lot of people who believe what the Koran is telling them and therefore need to get Jews off the land they understand ought to be 'under the house of Islam'.

In a sense (if not successfully so far) Bush and Blair had a kind of Christian religious agenda [read explanation] and it goes something like this:
- IF you could see Iraq and Afghanistan burst into truly democratic type of societies with 'freedom of speech' and concepts allowing Christian missionaries, Christian conversions,
and,
IF this were to sort of 'snowball' across and through Arab Muslim nations,
then,
You 'could' see situations where the Arab world is no longer voting in or tolerating Islamic governments but 'secular' governments who do not feel obligated to carry out Mohammads orders on Jews.

I don't know.
The prediction I fear comes true is something like this:

The Arab Muslim world will see so many Muslims converting or abandoning Islam and see the coming 'secular revolutions' and there will be one helluva 'animal in a corner' reaction from the hardcore Jihadi types.
They will go too far.
With Russia, with China and with Israel and for that matter even Europe and the USA.
Russia will move down absolutely annihilating them right out of Chechnya and beyond. I mean the actual people will be forced out.
Then China will just stomp every Muslim straight out in the same old-school expulsion or die way.
Then Israel will do it.
Retreating Muslims exploding themselves and carrying out the most horrific ghoulish sickening murders, suicide bombings, child killings etc will all but force the hand of Russia, China, Israel,
and,
that is when it will get REALLY nasty because its something like the Russians and Americans 'racing to take their share of Germany'.
Russian an China will 'race for the stans' and Israel is going to realize they are damn well getting as much as they can too and start taking out parts of Egypt and Jordan etc.

This is bad news for Muslims because it will end up just annihilating the Arab Muslim world back to the stone age (as they say) and there will be no more need to keep them happy or play along like we do now.

Well lets hope that doesn't happen.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Of course it is an Islam thing. A Koran thing. It is a lot of people who believe what the Koran is telling them and therefore need to get Jews off the land they understand ought to be 'under the house of Islam'.

In a sense (if not successfully so far) Bush and Blair had a kind of Christian religious agenda [read explanation] and it goes something like this:
- IF you could see Iraq and Afghanistan burst into truly democratic type of societies with 'freedom of speech' and concepts allowing Christian missionaries, Christian conversions,
and,
IF this were to sort of 'snowball' across and through Arab Muslim nations,
then,
You 'could' see situations where the Arab world is no longer voting in or tolerating Islamic governments but 'secular' governments who do not feel obligated to carry out Mohammads orders on Jews.

I don't know.
The prediction I fear comes true is something like this:

The Arab Muslim world will see so many Muslims converting or abandoning Islam and see the coming 'secular revolutions' and there will be one helluva 'animal in a corner' reaction from the hardcore Jihadi types.
They will go too far.
With Russia, with China and with Israel and for that matter even Europe and the USA.
Russia will move down absolutely annihilating them right out of Chechnya and beyond. I mean the actual people will be forced out.
Then China will just stomp every Muslim straight out in the same old-school expulsion or die way.
Then Israel will do it.
Retreating Muslims exploding themselves and carrying out the most horrific ghoulish sickening murders, suicide bombings, child killings etc will all but force the hand of Russia, China, Israel,
and,
that is when it will get REALLY nasty because its something like the Russians and Americans 'racing to take their share of Germany'.
Russian an China will 'race for the stans' and Israel is going to realize they are damn well getting as much as they can too and start taking out parts of Egypt and Jordan etc.

This is bad news for Muslims because it will end up just annihilating the Arab Muslim world back to the stone age (as they say) and there will be no more need to keep them happy or play along like we do now.

Well lets hope that doesn't happen.

Russians don't like jews, and China dislike em too (old commie thing). Only thing that they hate em is that US supports em. ****ed up world.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Russians don't like jews, and China dislike em too (old commie thing). Only thing that they hate em is that US supports em. ****ed up world.

Oh I agree. It won't be because they are supporting Israel and in my 'apocalypse scenario' I actually figure it would inevitably be (more) bad news for Israel.

Russia is interesting because their original Communist Revolution certainly was top-heavy with Jews. Not everyone but to a point where you can nearly call it a 'Jewish movement' and I'm not just talking Lenin, Trotsky and good old Marx but a long list of the most influential and powerful.
People forget that the 'Purges' did not just come out of nowhere for no reason - it was definitely because Jews were highly disproportional in the top of the system.
(not saying purges were a good idea either.. but just points it out).

China really is fascinating in all this. If you are watching television in Communist China you may catch a Mao 'propaganda' series. Mao is portrayed as this great heroic man and usually saving a baby and all that,
but,
how creepy (if you ask me) is scenes where they will have Mao teaching and preaching and behind him on a wall are portraits of Jews.
(Marx, Lenin, Trotsky as we mentioned before),
and,
Let me tell you something else - not long ago most Chinese wouldn't know who or what a Jew is to do with anything.
Not now.
They absolutely DO know there is a kind of white people called 'Jews' and let me tell you something else:
- Chinese are STILL resentful about the Opium wars. The problem is they used to think that was what the English did to them,
but,
they are now figuring out the 'dealers' in all this were wealthy Jewish families.

Now I'm not trying to tell anyone this is all perfectly accurate and/or should be how people think about things,
but,
I am agreeing with you that this IS what plenty of Russians and Chinese will see and think about when considering whether they want to trust Israel.

On the other hand Russian and Israel will tolerate each other if it means annihilating Muslim Chechnya,
and,
China and Israel will tolerate each other if it means permanently 'solving' the Uyghur 'east turkestan' problem.


What always amazed me is that the Arab Muslims (and i mean the hardcore practicing Muslim ones) do not understand that they can be stomped back to the stone age.
Even after they continually get stomped in small bites and are just losing and getting defeated today,
yet,
they are working overtime to 'ask for it'?

Now I did get an answer to that - its because they do believe Islam will conquer the whole world and in fact sparking a massive and final 'battle of Civilization' will only speed up that promise.

Now 'Christian Zionism' could be a whole another topic unto itself. I'm working on it.

[MojoNixon]

What "liberal" Europeans don't understand is that Muslims are trying to hide their "muslim inquisition" agenda behind the "freedom of speech" (that is not allowed in muslim world).

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

What about the ethic cleansing desires of Hamas?

That is not possible.
You can not Destroy a nation with Nukes.


Hamas are in Power.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

What "liberal" Europeans don't understand is that Muslims are trying to hide their "muslim inquisition" agenda behind the "freedom of speech" (that is not allowed in muslim world).

It really is one of the ultimate cruel twist ironies and its like the whole thing has 'backfired' on the liberal leftist agenda people.
It would almost become hilarious if it wasn't so genuinely dangerous.

The thing is - the Muslim absolutely KNOW what they have here and I well imagine they must just laugh amongst themselves how easily they have this sowed up.
One told me its even more than that - he sees its a sure sign that Allah is with them.
What else can explain the ease and how it is working for them? Obviously the Euros deserve it.
He actually believes its because Allah has confused their minds and given Muslims special ability.

Yeah, I have no idea when that sort of 'progressive liberal' type of European (or Brits or Canucks or Yanks etc) will ever wake up and get smart. It seems 'until its too late' is becoming the answer.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by arista

That is not possible.
You can not Destroy a nation with Nukes.


Hamas are in Power.

arista, you clearly not know what you are talking about. why don't you go out and hunt taxi drivers instead.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Yeah, I have no idea when that sort of 'progressive liberal' type of European (or Brits or Canucks or Yanks etc) will ever wake up and get smart. It seems 'until its too late' is becoming the answer.

Nah am sure we can all sleep safe in our beds knowing you and Mojo are keeping an ever watchful eye on our enemies and their conspiracies to take over the world.

Have you and Mojo got the survival bunker sorted for yourselves in the woods?

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Ouch that really hurt, cut me to the quick. (The more correct term is Big Girls Blouse) Fuckwit.



Aid may be going in but it is an insufficient amount, the UN states its about 25% of what is actually needed to sustain the Palestinian people. Thats why food etc is smuggled in from Egypt in tunnels.

I do agree that backing to Hamas should be stopped but a blockade that slowly starves an entire people is wrong. If you look back and understand why Hamas was voted into power you will see Israel were the root cause.

I take it you didnt see Tony Blair on the news last night making the same claims and asking that Israel at least operate the blockade imposed on Gaza in a humanitarian way?



Palestine was a mandated area under the League of Nations since just after the first world war. The jewish people supported by US President Wison decided to ignore the mandate and stated moving into the area having tried and failed to take over areas of Africa to form a homeland. Israel wasnt formed until 1948.

Not all Arabs follow a nomadic way of life there was towns Villages and cities there before the Jewish people decided to take over it.

By being the first to settle the area do you mean the tribes of Israel under Moses etc? If so re read your bible, they fought battles against peoples back then to clear the area first.




What a ****ing ignorant statement Mojo, I expected better from you, why would a leftie want to go to Iran, the regime is a little right wing over there, in fact so right wing it makes Attilla the ****ing hun look like Karl Marx.

Finally, someone with a brain!

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yes the name Palestine is and was used to describe an area of the Middle East, I suppose you could also rant about the use or over use of the word American there being no country called America. Or you could push it and rant about the use of the word Europe.

Except of course There was a large area called The British Mandate of Palestine, which was broken in to two subdivides called Transjordan and Palestine.

If the area was totally nomadic could you look at the following map and explain why there are lots of little orange dots, which the key to the map explains are Palestinian towns and villages (note the use of the terms villages and towns not nomadic settlements):



The B Mof P was the name of the area that is now ocupied by Israel a little of present day Egypt, Syria and Jordan.

The pro-Israel people on this web site are so far out of their league, it's laughable. No wonder Britain is full of uneducated chav trash.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by letmein

The pro-Israel people on this web site are so far out of their league, it's laughable. No wonder Britain is full of uneducated chav trash.

Shas is hilarious - instead of allowing himself to get wound-up he just points out the deficiencies in their arguments. I've tried winding Tel in the past with daft comments and he just does it to me too

[Shasown]

Who knows maybe this time it just wont be glossed over.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100605...n-6323e80.html

Thousands of people joined a national demonstration in London against the Israeli military boarding Gaza-bound aid vessels.

Activists began to march from Downing Street to the Israeli Embassy to mark their "outrage" against the deaths of nine pro-Palestinian activists who were killed when Israeli forces stopped a Turkish aid vessel trying to break a maritime blockade.

Demonstrators also expressed their anger that the Israeli navy has boarded one of the last ships on the flotilla carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza.

The Irish/Malaysian-owned vessel, MV Rachel Corrie, was seized by forces, preventing it from breaking the blockade of the Hamas-ruled territory.

Among the protesters was Sarah Colborne, 43, of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, who was aboard the Turkish Mavi Marmara Gaza aid ship where the activists died. She spent almost two days in Israeli custody before coming back to Britain.

Ms Colborne, from London, said the activists on the boat were on a purely on a relief mission.

"It does not surprise me that they have boarded another boat," said Ms Colborne

"Israel cannot be allowed to continue to commit these crimes without being brought to justice. It cannot board boats in international waters which have nothing but humanitarian aid and peace activists, to murder nine people and to hold us hostage, to kidnap us effectively. What we need to happen is for humanitarian aid to freely go into Gaza, for the borders to be opened and the siege to be lifted, for an independent investigation to take place into the events of the last few days and for Israel to end its violation of international laws."

Green MP Caroline Lucas, who joined the demonstration, also called for an inquiry into the actions of the Israeli military on the Mavi Marmara.

"We are here to demand an independent inquiry into the murder and piracy that happened in the high seas" she said. "The siege of Gaza is illegal, the collective punishment of innocent people is illegal. I believe the actions we saw on the flotillas were also illegal and we need an investigation into that. Israel is literally getting away with murder and the international community pulls back from the action. I think this demonstration is a clear message to William Hague to say that we want to see action now."

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nah am sure we can all sleep safe in our beds knowing you and Mojo are keeping an ever watchful eye on our enemies and their conspiracies to take over the world.

Have you and Mojo got the survival bunker sorted for yourselves in the woods?

Have a fun with your Islamised Europe

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Have a fun with your Islamised Europe

The people's republic of Scotland, "Islamised" from this new word you've just invented

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nah am sure we can all sleep safe in our beds knowing you and Mojo are keeping an ever watchful eye on our enemies and their conspiracies to take over the world.

The funny thing is that you mean that to be sarcastic yet its more true than you know.

Nothing conspiracy about this either - I can show you famous English neighbourhood that now belongs to Islam. They just love useful idiots like you. not that you are welcome there.
Unless you submit to Islam?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

The funny thing is that you mean that to be sarcastic yet its more true than you know.

Nothing conspiracy about this either - I can show you famous English neighbourhood that now belongs to Islam. They just love useful idiots like you. not that you are welcome there.
Unless you submit to Islam?

So do you do the day shift and mojo the night or vice versa? Must be awfully hard doing a straight 12 hour shift or do you split it down to 3-4 hour stags?


How stands England this eve, watchman?

Thats two, by the way.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

So do you do the day shift and mojo the night or vice versa? Must be awfully hard doing a straight 12 hour shift or do you split it down to 3-4 hour stags?

I can tell you this much. Visited a once famous English neighbourhood to see this centuries good old 'heart of england' sort of district that is even famous around the world.
Its what many think about when they think of England and English people.
Its gone.
What Hitler could not do (and damn well tried) was easily carried out by a large group of Arab Muslims.
I wasn't actually welcomed there and was a little nervous as a crowd of tough looking Arabs 'scowled me' as I walked by in a way saying 'keep moving little infidel'.
I was sure I saw where address plates had been chipped off. Another house had replaced theirs with an Arabic sign.
Women wearing Hijabs to cover their faces in the neighbourhood. That is Englands neighbourhoods - where women must cover their face.

This already happened.
Don't bother looking stupid and guffawing about this 'fantasy' because it is that way now.
I dare you to go draw a picture of Mohammad in that neighbourhood tomorrow.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by letmein

Finally, someone with a brain!

Like this?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Like this?

Medea Benjamin speaks below of her trip to Gaza…

As a Jew, an American and a mother, I felt compelled to witness, firsthand, what my people and my taxdollars had done during this invasion. Visiting Gaza filled me with unbearable sadness. Unlike the primitive weapons of Hamas, the Israelis had so many sophisticated ways to murder, maim and destroy-unmanned drones, F-16s dropping “smart bombs” that miss, Apache helicopters launching missiles, tanks firing from the ground, ships shelling Gaza from the sea. So many horrific weapons stamped with Made in the USA. While Hamas’ attacks on Israeli villages are deplorable, Israel’s disproportionate response is unconscionable, with 1,330 Palestinians dead vs. 13 Israelis.

If the invasion was designed to destroy Hamas, it failed miserably. Not only is Hamas still in control, but it retains much popular support. If the invasion was designed as a form of collective punishment, it succeeded, leaving behind a trail of grieving mothers, angry fathers and traumatized children.

To get a sense of the devastation, check out a slide show circulating on the internet called Gaza: Massacre of Children. It should be required viewing for all who supported this invasion of Gaza. Babies charred like shish-kebabs. Limbs chopped off. Features melted from white phosphorus. Faces crying out in pain, gripped by fear, overcome by grief.




http://notmytribe.com/2009/gaza-child-photo-86584.html

Atrocities are committed by BOTH sides.

The slide show mentioned in the above quote is at: http://www.aztlan.net/gaza/gaza_mass...f_children.php

[Shasown]

In Turkey, an official autopsy report into the earlier raid said a preliminary examination had found the nine men were shot a total of 30 times, and five of them were killed by gunshots to the head and their backs. One of the activists was shot to death from close range, it said.
The report will be sent to the prosecutor's office in Istanbul in the next two months as evidence to be used against Israel in a possible court case, the state-run Anatolia news agency said

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0q4q7Ne6z

Interesting little point there about the autopsy results.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Interesting little point there about the autopsy results.

I don't believe that turkish propaganda at all.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

I don't believe that turkish propaganda at all.

Yeah lets just ignore that little inconvenience, counterproductive as it is to your arguments.