[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jet,do you really think he meant that? really? I think he was just trying to make Luisa feel better about her strop,why are some people so desperate to see him lose his temper? Everyone snaps if they are goaded enough and I do know it would be the catalyst for all the " I told you so's"

Yes, I do think he meant it. I've said from the beginning that he was keeping a tight rein on himself.
I don't particularly want him to 'snap'. I'd like to see him show some of the personality that he is supposed to have. He comes across as a person who can give it but can't take it; thinks the house should revolve around his needs; is no fun at all; disapproves of nearly everything; acts like he's at least 10 years older than Lionel.
He's just a grumpy old goat with little entertainment value. Surely that's not what made him a legend - he must be so afraid of letting go that he can't enjoy himself.

[Kizzy]

So we can't base opinion on what others say about him, what's been written about him, what he's done previously or what he says about himself in the house....
What can we pass comment on?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So we can't base opinion on what others say about him, what's been written about him, what he's done previously or what he says about himself in the house....
What can we pass comment on?

Yes, we are told we should judge him by what he says and does in the house, then when we do we are told he didn't mean it or he's being unfairly goaded.
He's a first class wind up merchant himself but nobody should give it back to poor wee wickle Jim.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

I know that NOW in the house he's great to watch I find him funny, stuff he's done in the past I don't give a toss all them in there will have done something they shouldn't of at some time.

How in the name of entertainment is Jim great in the house? Do people watch CBB nowadays to see cantankerous old moans sitting about looking disgruntled and peevish?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

How in the name of entertainment is Jim great in the house? Do people watch CBB nowadays to see cantankerous old moans sitting about looking disgruntled and peevish?

You might not like him Jet ,but please afford us the courtesy of conceding other people do ,not all of us watch BB for the same reasons,personally I don't find squealing sexually loose people entertaining, different strokes for different folks ,so I for one will agree to disagree.I've liked him in the house and found him funny even his grumpy bits.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by jet

He admitted to wife beating...and I'm not basing ALL my dislike of him on what I have read, but how he is in the house mostly. I've explained why I dislike him many times in this thread, I'm not wasting my time going into it all again.

Erm you pretty much are, as soon as you found out about his past, you thought he should be hung, drawn & quartered!

You have not exactly said why his behaviour in the house makes you hate him, other than you have a 'gut feeling' about him, so your judgement has been completely about what you have read about his past!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You might not like him Jet ,but please afford us the courtesy of conceding other people do ,not all of us watch BB for the same reasons,personally I don't find squealing sexually loose people entertaining, different strokes for different folks ,so I for one will agree to disagree.I've liked him in the house and found him funny even his grumpy bits.

Okay then, I'll concede that for you.

I don't find squealing loose people or sulky old farts entertaining. I'm a discerning CBB viewer.

[Livia]

You don't like Jim, jet? I had you down as 'undecided'.......................................

[jet]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Erm you pretty much are, as soon as you found out about his past, you thought he should be hung, drawn & quartered!

You have not exactly said why his behaviour in the house makes you hate him, other than you have a 'gut feeling' about him, so your judgement has been completely about what you have read about his past!

Actually I have. Over and over again for the benefit of those who don't read much.
By the way, I dislike him, I don't hate him.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't like Jim, jet? I had you down as 'undecided'.......................................

Come on now, its not THAT obvious.

[erinp5]

5.15pm: Jim is pretending to fish in the pool. It's comical stuff

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

Actually I have. Over and over again for the benefit of those who don't read much.
By the way, I dislike him, I don't hate him.

Jet ,can I ask do you like Jasmine?

[Ammi]

...I think the reasons why some people don’t find anything to respect about Jim are quite valid, understandable and not at all ‘rumour or gossip’ because they’re things he has admitted to and the main one for me is his violence with females, which I personally find abhorrent in anyone, he also behaved very badly in Hell’s Kitchen...I do understand that people can change but then for me to support him or be a fan, then he would have to ‘show change’ which I can’t see that he has..he’s walked away from a few situations which could have been even more damaging to him had he reacted to them, I’m sure he knows that, so he did the right thing for himself ..whether that indicates a change or a containment, none of us know so we just go with what we think....whether he’s won back any popularity through being on CBB or even if it’s enough to win..?..I don’t really care tbh because for me that isn’t the issue and wouldn’t make him a better or changed person ...only being a better and changed person would make him that ....

[Northern Monkey]

Maybe,Just maybe,We should all stop trying to change each others opinions on him and accept that some people like him and some don't?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Maybe,Just maybe,We should all stop trying to change each others opinions on him and accept that some people like him and some don't?

...stop with your silly notions, you...trouble-maker......

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Jet ,can I ask do you like Jasmine?

No, I don't. I just like Ollie, Lionel and Sam really.

[jet]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Maybe,Just maybe,We should all stop trying to change each others opinions on him and accept that some people like him and some don't?

It happens with every HM. Why should Jim get special treatment?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So we can't base opinion on what others say about him, what's been written about him, what he's done previously or what he says about himself in the house....
What can we pass comment on?

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, we are told we should judge him by what he says and does in the house, then when we do we are told he didn't mean it or he's being unfairly goaded.
He's a first class wind up merchant himself but nobody should give it back to poor wee wickle Jim.

No you aren't told you have to do anything what others have said is that they form opinions on the way housemates are during their time on BB.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Josy

No you aren't told you have to do anything what others have said is that they form opinions on the way housemates are during their time on BB.

No, I was referring to being told, "You should judge him for his time in the house". Not by all, but by some.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Josy

This.

I also try to judge people as housemates by the way they are in the house.

But Jim told Luisa he was a male chauvinist and was keeping his mouth shut and behaving in the house.

He's just bull****ting viewers so I judge him on his behaviour outside seeing as he told Luisa he purposely wasn't being himself, something needs to happen to make his true colours come out as we have only seen glimpses of it.

If he's not going to play the game and show who he really is then its a waste of Channel 5's fee to be honest.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by jet

Didn't you hear him say if he was himself in the house he would be kicked out? I couldn't vote for someone when I don't know who they are other than the mostly negative things I have heard about them and some of which they themselves have admitted to. How can one gauge that someone has changed if they have admitted they are suppressing their real personality?

Ageism and sexism are both wrong. So is homophobia, racism and wife beating.

Exactly! For some reason people don't seem to pick up on these conversations or if they do and agree with it then they're support him being fake and not wanting to be there.

[erinp5]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

But Jim told Luisa he was a male chauvinist and was keeping his mouth shut and behaving in the house.

He's just bull****ting viewers so I judge him on his behaviour outside seeing as he told Luisa he purposely wasn't being himself, something needs to happen to make his true colours come out as we have only seen glimpses of it.

If he's not going to play the game and show who he really is then its a waste of Channel 5's fee to be honest.

That's what I feel about Jim .He has not demonstrated he is a changed man ,he is just performing in the house .

[letmein]

Originally Posted by erinp5

That's what I feel about Jim .He has not demonstrated he is a changed man ,he is just performing in the house .

Of course! Keep in mind the reason he went on the show to begin with.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by erinp5

That's what I feel about Jim .He has not demonstrated he is a changed man ,he is just performing in the house .

..tbh, I don’t know if he’s ‘performing’ or not..if he hadn’t changed then it would certainly be too damaging for him to show that and I’m sure he’s hoping to improve his public image but that doesn't mean to say that it is a 'performance' ..I’m not really waiting for him to ‘lose it’ either because that would also be an extreme that I don’t think he would do...unlike the normal BB, I think that all of us have preconceived opinions of celebrity housemates and especially the more controversial ones ...and if those opinions are negative then we only change them through their behaviour in the house...and so far, I haven’t seen anything of Jim’s behaviour that would change my opinion, which is a judgement of his time in the house because it’s a judgement that there is nothing I can see that I could support as a housemate...

[Videostar]

Originally Posted by letmein

Of course! Keep in mind the reason he went on the show to begin with.

They are all on the show to either improve or boost their images in one way or another.