[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Helen shouts - but that alone doesn't make her a bully. Her name calling of Jale was horrible. But Jale never thought of Helen as a bully. She seems to like her, in fact.

The closest i've seen to bullying in that house was Ashleigh and her 'evil plan'. She deliberately excluded Helen from the group of girls, manipulated them all into nominating Ash - just to hurt Helen.

Exclusion of one person, manipulating a group against them for the sole purpose of hurting that person - that's much more like bullying to me.

Aint,that the truth

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Achilles

The reason I don't believe a word you say is not because you say Helen is not a bully but because you say Helen is not a bully, Ashleigh is a bully.

Where have i once said that Ashleigh is a bully?... if You're going to question my integrity, at least read things properly, I've never once said Ashleigh is a bully, i said people like Ashleigh are bullies, jeeze

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Where have i once said that Ashleigh is a bully?... if You're going to question my integrity, at least read things properly, I've never once said Ashleigh is a bully, i said people like Ashleigh are bullies, jeeze

People like. WTF does that mean?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by abhorson

People like. WTF does that mean?

People who carry the same traits as her, ie; sly, vindictive, cold, two faced, sneaky, manipulative.. you get the idea, Ashleigh hasn't used those traits in a bullying way as far as i can see but she still carries them, but other people who carry those traits can use them and be the worst kind of bully, hence, people like Asheligh are bullies, i never accused Ashleigh of being a bully herself

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

People who carry the same traits as her, ie; sly, vindictive, cold, two faced, sneaky, manipulative.. you get the idea, Ashleigh hasn't used those traits in a bullying way as far as i can see but she still carries them, but other people who carry those traits can use them and be the worst kind of bully, hence, people like Asheligh are bullies, i never accused Ashleigh of being a bully herself

And you prefer Helen

I would hope Ashleigh does not win, but i can see that Helen is worse than this, x5.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by abhorson

And you prefer Helen

I would hope Ashleigh does not win, but i can see that Helen is worse than this, x5.

Yes i do prefer Helen, because in my opinion Ashleigh is worse, you can have your opinion that's fine, but respect mine and other peoples
I'd much rather be around someone like Helen than someone like Ashleigh

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Yes i do prefer Helen, because in my opinion Ashleigh is worse, you can have your opinion that's fine, but respect mine and other peoples
I'd much rather be around someone like Helen than someone like Ashleigh

Which is fair enough.

But the majority will be with Ashleigh i feel. And thus the winner. Does not make each of us right or wrong. But a big indication.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Which is fair enough.

But the majority will be with Ashleigh i feel. And thus the winner. Does not make each of us right or wrong. But a big indication.

If she wins, that's fine, i wouldnt even be mad if she won because admittedly she has played a big part in the show as of late, i'd just prefer her not to

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Yes i do prefer Helen, because in my opinion Ashleigh is worse, you can have your opinion that's fine, but respect mine and other peoples
I'd much rather be around someone like Helen than someone like Ashleigh

There is no opinion when it comes to bullying. Bullying is wrong. If you support bullying you are as bad as the bully themselves.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Achilles

There is no opinion when it comes to bullying. Bullying is wrong. If you support bullying you are as bad as the bully themselves.

If I saw something as bullying I'd say it was wrong and oppose it, but I don't see anything that has happened in there as bullying.. Don't keep calling me a bully, you know nothing about me nor will you ever know anything about me

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

If I saw something as bullying I'd say it was wrong and oppose it, but I don't see anything that has happened in there as bullying.. Don't keep calling me a bully, you know nothing about me nor will you ever know anything about me

The upload shows BULLYING. Helen and her gang of twats bullying Christopher.

[M X]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Are you incapable of seeing how just as many people see Ashliegh as nasty?

Regardless of whether you think Ashleigh is nice or nasty, it is totally ignorant and naive to place their behaviour in the same category. Helen has been a vile bully. Insulting peoples physical appearance, purposely saying words to hurt their feelings as much as she can because it makes her feel better, and she has enjoyed making the atmosphere for other housemates uncomfortable and tense. Ashleigh has not done that.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Achilles

The upload shows BULLYING. Helen and her gang of twats bullying Christopher.

In your opinion.. In my opinion it doesn't show bullying, it shows a group of people using their right to express their dislike for someone, not bullying

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

Fair enough. I don't see those traits in Ashleigh at all and I do feel that Ashleigh's actions are her responding to the bullying from Helen and trying to take down the bully, but it's interesting to hear another perspective.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by coffee

Show at least 5 clips of Ashleigh being just as nasty as Helen because it's not very hard to find 5 of Helen being horrible.

i would never want helen to win

but horrible isnt always whats on the surface its more what lies beneath.........helen was at leats nice to pav , loyal to ash , winston and got on with steve and his yankeee lass too........im not convinced ashleigh is necessarily any nicer or warmer herself

[Jay28jay2]

What annoys me is that she basically only got there with a pass, so she is lucky that she even got to the Finals if it wasnt for Jazzi P and her power.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Achilles

The ex housemates who dislike Ashleigh are the ones who were part of Helen's nasty gang. The ex housemates who like Ashleigh are the ones who hated Helen's nasty gang.

Boooorinnnggg

You keep calling Helen's friends nasty when in reality those aligned with Ashleigh were and have been MUCH worse since their exit

You keep harping on like Ashleigh is a total angel devoid of any blame for ex housemates disliking her when the reality is she brought it all on herself, it feels like borderline delusion at this point.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Achilles

There is no opinion when it comes to bullying. Bullying is wrong. If you support bullying you are as bad as the bully themselves.

You are wrong and really silly to accuse anyone who likes Helen of being a bully.

You seem to be trying to gain Ashleigh some sort of sympathy vote on here by running with this, it's tiresome really.

[ozzyshaggah]

Originally Posted by parmnion

there's normal nasty, then theres Helen kind of nasty..bb's warnings prove to every viewer just who has been the nastiest.

yes
and there is *******igh nasty and vile

[arista]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Youtube video

A nasty horrible person who has received multiple warnings for bullying and aggressive behaviour.

Because she has a Heart



That bitch you like
is Evil.

[JCrow]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Are you incapable of seeing how just as many people see Ashliegh as nasty?

We see that all too well and its very disheartening. Not counting Pauline, Helen has caused EVERYTHING. Watch from the beginning and can see why Ashleigh and so many others talked **** about Helen. Its OBVIOUS! If you still don't get it you're just as delusional as Helen is.

[JCrow]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

You are wrong and really silly to accuse anyone who likes Helen of being a bully.

You seem to be trying to gain Ashleigh some sort of sympathy vote on here by running with this, it's tiresome really.

I know, the truth really can be tiresome. You know, if Ash hadn't left his balls at home he'd have had a great chance at winning this. I really hope he grows some and gives honest answers as to why he thought it was ok to sit by and watch his "friend" act like that. He could have helped her by being honest, he wasn't lacking friends in the house so he could have said enough I'm going over here. Then again, maybe he wanted her to continue that way so it would be one less person to contend with at the end, hmm...

[JCrow]

Originally Posted by StupidHoe

Boooorinnnggg

You keep calling Helen's friends nasty when in reality those aligned with Ashleigh were and have been MUCH worse since their exit

You keep harping on like Ashleigh is a total angel devoid of any blame for ex housemates disliking her when the reality is she brought it all on herself, it feels like borderline delusion at this point.

You Know Achilles is EXACTLY right, exactly. I have to wonder at your use of the word 'delusional'

[EdemMusic]

Because the ex housemates who were in Helen's gang pay them to

[Fendertele]

It seems that bad behaviour is rewarded, for some unknown reason....