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The UK is now the outsider with no safety net. It is the weakest possible negotiating position. Less to offer, less ability to hold out for more... the deals that can realistically be struck with EU member countries are always going to be skewed to the other country's advantage.
Well, for instance, the UK is BMW's fourth largest market after China, the USA and Germany. If they want to continue to sell to us there will have to be an agreement that favours us too.

We'll have to wait and see, of course... but I don't believe for one minute it's going to be as bad as your painting it, quite the reverse.
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If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?
Well, I voted to remain

But, there will be a lot of gesturing initially. The EU want to strike while its all fresh in the mind, hoping to put the UK at a disadvantage by common agreement. We should and will take it slowly, negotiating deals with countries that provide the best mutual benefit first. Once they are defined and agreed, the smaller countries will have to fall into line
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If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?
Now we have Brexited - WE are in the BIG chair, and the EU is in the LITTLE chair, and they will jump through OUR hoops to continue trading with us - the deals may be thrashed out behind closed doors, as with so much of the corrupt twots dealings - but they WILL jump through our hoops.

The reasons why I say this are:

The EU’s share of global GDP fell from 30% in 1993 to 24% in 2013 and is STILL plummeting.

The UK has suffered a negative Trade Balance with The EU for decades, and it is increasing - in April of 2016, our trade deficit with the EU was Ł16 BILLION pounds - FOR THE MONTH.

We BOUGHT Ł16 BILLION POUNDS OF GOODS MORE FROM THE EU, THAN WE SOLD TO THEM - IN ONE MONTH.

With an ever increasingly plummeting share of Global GDP the crumbing EU is DESPERATE for trade, so the very notion that they will 'put barriers' in our way and deprive themselves of Ł20 BILLION POUNDS per month trade surplus is banal.

And for those who have been seduced by the propaganda and lies that the UK was economically stronger in the EU, bear in mind that we have been in the EU for over 40 years, then read this tiny snippet from Ed Conway, Economics Editor of Sky News:

"The worst goods trade deficit in more than three centuries"


"Last year Britain recorded its biggest deficit in goods trade since records began.*

Those records technically go all the way back to 1697, though getting hold of the data is rather tricky. The ONS only has numbers going back to 1998, on a comparable basis, while HM Revenue & Customs supposedly has the 300-year series of data, but, when I spoke to them earlier today, weren’t exactly sure where one can lay one’s hands on it."

THE WORST TRADE FIGURES FOR 300 YEARS! And note the difficulty in actually obtaining information from HMRC.

So much for any argument that we are 'economically better off in', and for any belief that the crumbling corrupt EU will salve their wounded pride by making it more difficult to trade with us - as I have said on here for a year - WE DO NOT NEED THE EU, THEY NEED US.

As you will witness.
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Now we have Brexited - WE are in the BIG chair, ad the EU is in the LITTLE chair and they will jump through OUR hoops to continue trading with us - the deals may be thrashed out behind closed doors, as with so much of the corrupt twots dealings - but they WILL jump through our hoops.

The reasons why I say this are:

The EU’s share of global GDP fell from 30% in 1993 to 24% in 2013 and is STILL plummeting.

The UK has suffered a negative Trade Balance with The EU for decades, and it is increasing - in April of 2016, our trade deficit with the EU was Ł16 BILLION pounds - FOR THE MONTH.

We BOUGHT Ł16 BILLION POUNDS OF GOODS MORE FROM THE EU, THAN WE SOLD TO THEM.

With an ever increasingly plummeting share of Global GDP the crumbing EU is DESPERATE for trade, so the very notion that they will 'put barriers' in our way and deprive themselves of Ł20 BILLION POUNDS per month trade surplus is banal.

And for those who have been seduced by the propaganda and lies that the UK was economically stronger in the EU, bear in mind that we have been in the EU for over 40 years, then read this tiny snippet from Ed Conway, Economics Editor of Sky News:

"The worst goods trade deficit in more than three centuries"


"Last year Britain recorded its biggest deficit in goods trade since records began.*

Those records technically go all the way back to 1697, though getting hold of the data is rather tricky. The ONS only has numbers going back to 1998, on a comparable basis, while HM Revenue & Customs supposedly has the 300-year series of data, but, when I spoke to them earlier today, weren’t exactly sure where one can lay one’s hands on it."

THE WORST TRADE FIGURES FOR 300 YEARS! And note the difficulty in actually obtaining information from HMRC.

So much for any argument that we are 'economically better off in', and for any belief that the crumbling corrupt EU will salve their wounded pride by making it more difficult to trade with us - as I have said on here for a year - WE DO NOT NEED THE EU, THEY NEEDD US.

As you will witness.
As I pointed out in an earlier discussion, Kirk... we have **** all to sell. That is why we have a trade deficit that continues to rocket. We don't produce. We consume.

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As I pointed out in an earlier discussion, Kirk... we have **** all to sell. That is why we have a trade deficit that continues to rocket. We don't produce. We consume.
That is pure baloney. Just not true, but I have no time at present to answer fully, so I will do so later.
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If EU members make it easy for the UK to set up beneficial trade agreements, if they allow the UK to prosper, they will be demonstrating that the UK's exit was a good idea and that may well trigger exits across the board and the complete dismantlement of the EU.

With that in mind;

Do you honestly believe that the bigger pro-EU governments will make it easy for the UK to set up any way decent trade deals?

Honestly?
No I expect they won't make it easy at all.

I still say we will have to accept the free movement of EU citizens and I believe whoever does the negotiations will in the end accept that.

If the UK citizens demand goods from European Countries, then we will still have to import them, no matter the costs of doing so,and the EU knows that.

I say you are right.
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No I expect they won't make it easy at all.

I still say we will have to accept the free movement of EU citizens and I believe whoever does the negotiations will in the end accept that.

If the UK citizens demand goods from European Countries, then we will still have to import them, no matter the costs of doing so,and the EU knows that.

I say you are right.
Well there's a surprise Joey - ignore FACTS and agree with opinion.
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I still think (my opinion) that a lot of younger voters were voting to stay in Europe geographically and now think that they are not in Europe
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I still think (my opinion) that a lot of younger voters were voting to stay in Europe geographically and now think that they are not in Europe
I wonder if everyone realises we are still all Europeans
We haven't changed geographically.
Ooooooh it will beggar the football up a fair bit as well

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I still think (my opinion) that a lot of younger voters were voting to stay in Europe geographically and now think that they are not in Europe
While these people do exist, you are referring to stupid voters, not younger voters, and believe me these people span the entire range of ages.

You would be staggered - utterly staggered - by the number of punters (in general, men aged 40 - 60) who have commented today and yesterday about how it's "England's Last Euro's".

"Those arseholes won't be there next time anyway ha ha!"

"Och, would be nice for them to win, since it's their last..."

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While these people do exist, you are referring to stupid voters, not younger voters, and believe me these people span the entire range of ages.

You would be staggered - utterly staggered - by the number of punters (in general, men aged 40 - 60) who have commented today and yesterday about how it's "England's Last Euro's".

"Those arseholes won't be there next time anyway ha ha!"

"Och, would be nice for them to win, since it's their last..."

Seriously.

Somebody said this at work yesterday, so what are we now we are no longer in Europe? Honestly I give up at times
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Technically you haven't been in Europe since the oceans rose thousands of years ago.
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While these people do exist, you are referring to stupid voters, not younger voters, and believe me these people span the entire range of ages.

You would be staggered - utterly staggered - by the number of punters (in general, men aged 40 - 60) who have commented today and yesterday about how it's "England's Last Euro's".

"Those arseholes won't be there next time anyway ha ha!"

"Och, would be nice for them to win, since it's their last..."

Seriously.

Yes I think you are right
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Very happy - especially seeing the spiteful way the other Euro leaders are now treating the UK.

Petty behaviour. Pathetic. Showing their true colors now.
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Very happy - especially seeing the spiteful way the other Euro leaders are now treating the UK.

Petty behaviour. Pathetic. Showing their true colors now.
A group of people who are going to cap your knees because you disagree with them or want to part ways is a group you don't want to be a part of - like the mafia or the plastics.
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I think we were once called an 'irrelevant' country by the other Euro leaders.

If that's the case why is our exit causing them all to go into paroxysms of fear. They are like headless chickens.

The UK will always be great.

We are the best country in the world. Look at our music, our arts. Our scientists, specialists...adored the world over.

The Americans actually come here to film their movies. The back of the queue my ****.

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I think we were once called an 'irrelevant' country by the other Euro leaders.

If that's the case why is our exit causing them all to go into paroxysms of fear. They are like headless chickens.

The UK will always be great.

We are the best country in the world. Look at our music, our arts. Our scientists, specialists...adored the world over.

The Americans actually come here to film their movies. The back of the queue my ****.

TALENT.
Our scientists and specialists have indeed been some of the best in the world historically because we have had an exemplary education system, which is now being decimated.

Our music, artists, novelists, talent... again all world class, because we have been allowed the individual freedoms and space for creativity to make that possible. That is now being systematically chipped away by austerity.

(And just FYI, Hollywood comes here, and to Canada, Australia, etc. to film movies because the big US locations like California and the iconic cities charge huge taxes to film there... they come because it's cheaper and has comparable architecture.)

Britain has been strong but it would be a HUGE mistake to become complacent. Especially now.
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I note the vile CBI have now changed their tune and are rather optimistic of the pre brexit UK

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Anyone who voted to leave the EU believing there'd be a dramatic decrease in immigration is an idiot quite frankly, since most migration to the UK comes from outside of the EU

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