[arista]

He is trying to match Reform UK


He is Denmark today.



[Starmer to end asylum ‘golden ticket’ of
resettlement and family reunion rights

People granted asylum will have to earn right
to invite family in plan charities
call ‘straight from populist playbook’]


[People granted asylum will no longer
be given “the golden ticket” of resettlement
and family reunion rights, Keir Starmer said,
amid deepening concerns from charities
that his words are demonising refugees.
As the prime minister prepared to discuss
illegal migration with European leaders,
No 10 outlined plans to strip successful claimants
of the right to automatically invite spouses
and children to join them.

The right to permanently settle in the UK
will be bestowed upon those who prove to
be contributing to society, he said,
“not by paying a people-smuggler to cross
the Channel in a boat”.
Under current rules, successful asylum
seekers have the right to invite family
members to join them and settle in the UK.]


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...reunion-rights

[arista]

[Zizu]

Too little too late


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[Ray.]

Does this now mean he's his own worst enemy?

[The Slim Reaper]

Trying to compete with reform from the right is always going to be a losing endeavour. Post WWII, the way the government fought against fascism, was with socialism, which created the welfare state and the NHS, and provided free education.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[emseateng2014]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

that looks like something the uk trumpers group reform uk would say

[Crimson Dynamo]

Robert Jenrick
@RobertJenrick
·
10h
I have uncovered over 30 immigration judges with links to open borders charities.

It is now beyond any doubt that a deep rot has infected parts of our judiciary.

https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1975461261027803401

[Crimson Dynamo]

Denmark followed 321 Muslim Palestinian asylum seekers and their kids for nearly 30 years. This is the SHOCKING result

- Out of the original 321 Palestinians, 204 ended up being convicted of a crime
- 71 of them were jailed
- 176 ended up on welfare
- That accounts for 63% became criminals and were convicted and more than half ended up on welfare

So they followed the second generation:

They had 399 children

- 337 ended up being convicted of a crime
- 132 of them ended up being jailed
- 372 of them ended up on welfare
- So that's a 34% conviction rate and a 37% welfare rate

“Their very own Justice Minister later stated in a 2019 interview, and this is the guy who presided over this entire thing, by the way, and I quote, these asylum seekers should not have been let in.”

93-95% of Palestinians are Muslim

https://x.com/WallStreetApes/status/1975324569646006283

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour lied to me and you


The year 2025 is the highest on record for small boat crossings.

Never have so many unwanted boats successfully made their way across the channel since 1066.

full numbers here - https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1978035161972301848

[Livia]

1,611 homeless people died in the UK last year while we're housing illegal migrants in hotels. And they wonder why Reform is ahead in the polls.

[arista]

1,075 Illegal Migrants arrived on Wednesday
just gone, in Dover.


Home Office updated everyone


GMBHD itv, informed us all.
Also Times Radio.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Lmao too many people were complaining about brown immigrants

[arista]

Sky News Text :
[An asylum seeker living in a migrant hotel
murdered a female staff member by
stabbing her 23 times with a screwdriver.

Deng Chol Majek left Rhiannon Skye Whyte
for dead at Bescot Stadium station in Walsall,
Wolverhampton Crown Court heard.]




Evil Illegal Migrant

This is why PM Starmer
is failing.............

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ey-new-centre/

[Zizu]

I admit to being completely ignorant on the illegal immigrants / asylum seekers/ daily boat people .. .

I do see videos online most days highlighting the trouble caused by some of the above though .


Also in all the tv and online coverage of these thousands of illegal boat people landing on our shores each and every week … you never see any families .. no women.. no children ..

Just young , healthy/strong looking men of fighting age - and it confuses & concerns me in equal measures !!!!


If they are are fleeing war torn countries or whatever why are they leaving behind the really vulnerable ones - it makes no sense



If we were seeing boat loads of families maybe even some grandparents as well I would feel far more charitable towards them rather than the underlying fear I do now


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I admit to being completely ignorant on the illegal immigrants / asylum seekers/ daily boat people .. .

I do see videos online most days highlighting the trouble caused by some of the above though .


Also in all the tv and online coverage of these thousands of illegal boat people landing on our shores each and every week … you never see any families .. no women.. no children ..

Just young , healthy/strong looking men of fighting age - and it confuses & concerns me in equal measures !!!!

If they are are fleeing war torn countries or whatever why are they leaving behind the really vulnerable ones - it makes no sense



If we were seeing boat loads of families maybe even some grandparents as well I would feel far more charitable towards them rather than the underlying fear I do now


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Weren’t you on a break from TiBB?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

Weren’t you on a break from TiBB?

Maybe you should take a break from following Zizu around the forum?

[Redway]

More to the point, I know people and have had very intimate family-friend associations with people whose dads came to the U.K. in the ’60s/’70s post-war off the back of the most relentless tribalism and I’ve got nothing but respect. Nothing but respect for people who came to the U.K. with sincerity and in the search of nothing but a better life for them and the families they went on to start, amidst the racism of the time.

The news rarely, if ever, talks about people like that. You’re not going to get the nuance of the full situation re. people coming to this country by boat if all your cue hinges on is the Daily Fail. But there’s no reason to duck with fear about the prospect of boating in itself. What swathes of people have turned it into in more recent times is another thing, but that’s not everyone. That’s not everyone’s intentions or experiences.

I know we all come from different walks of life, with different experiences and associations to boot, but there’s always a certain ignorance that seeps out in conversations like this, and all that does is taint the validity of what valid points people might otherwise be making. Especially when it’s coming from an overwhelmingly monolithic, purely white British perspective that doesn’t account for nuance but just capitulates what’s latest on the news. That doesn’t account for people who (just as an example) fled Nigeria after the Biafran war in a country that could threaten to shoot people as they entered the plane just out of anti-Igbo sentiment. For people like that, taking that boat-trip or making it firmly into that airplane just in the nick of time saved their lives. Yeah? Igbo civilians facing military checkpoints, discrimination and targeted attacks (as-if killing 3 million in that war wasn’t bloody enough, airports being a potential place of danger even for trying to escape the federal nation that savaged many just for their ethnic belonging. So what if someone like that wants to settle in Toxteth, Liverpool in full ’70s/’80s aesthetic, encourage Jheri-curls and start a family that includes four wonderful children, one a pharmacy-technician and a journalist and another an aspiring gamer? Is that the sort of thing the news covers? The follow-up in the lives of people who’ve started or moved families over and their enriching to the overall cultural fabric of society? Does the average pure Brit even care about follow-up or know that boating’s not a recent, exploitative phenomenon?

So yes. There is a certain level of ignorance that seeps out in threads like this, with not enough relevant, direct cultural experiences of a less sinister kind of off-the-paper migration, and that’s not something that necessarily increases with age. It comes with background, associations and cultural mingling, if not membership, and that deserves respect as much as ‘I’m old enough to recount a trillion examples of dubious boat-migration from a biased, distinctly white-British, perspective in any case.’ No shade, no titty, but the other kind of experience isn’t something to mock or demean.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

More to the point, I know people and have had very intimate family-friend associations with people whose dads came to the U.K. in the ’60s/’70s post-war off the back of the most relentless tribalism and I’ve got nothing but respect. Nothing but respect for people who came to the U.K. with sincerity and in the search of nothing but a better life for them and the families they went on to start, amidst the racism of the time.

The news rarely, if ever, talks about people like that. You’re not going to get the nuance of the full situation re. people coming to this country by boat if all your cue hinges on is the Daily Fail. But there’s no reason to duck with fear about the prospect of boating in itself. What swathes of people have turned it into in more recent times is another thing, but that’s not everyone. That’s not everyone’s intentions or experiences.

I know we all come from different walks of life, with different experiences and associations to boot, but there’s always a certain ignorance that seeps out in conversations like this, and all that does is taint the validity of what valid points people might otherwise be making. Especially when it’s coming from an overwhelmingly monolithic, purely white British perspective that doesn’t account for nuance but just capitulates what’s latest on the news. That doesn’t account for people who (just as an example) fled Nigeria after the Biafran war in a country that could threaten to shoot people as they entered the plane just out of anti-Igbo sentiment. For people like that, taking that boat-trip or making it firmly into that airplane just in the nick of time saved their lives. Yeah? Igbo civilians facing military checkpoints, discrimination and targeted attacks (as-if killing 3 million in that war wasn’t bloody enough, airports being a potential place of danger even for trying to escape the federal nation that savaged many just for their ethnic belonging. So what if someone like that wants to settle in Toxteth, Liverpool in full ’70s/’80s aesthetic, encourage Jheri-curls and start a family that includes four wonderful children, one a pharmacy-technician and a journalist and another an aspiring gamer? Is that the sort of thing the news covers? The follow-up in the lives of people who’ve started or moved families over and their enriching to the overall cultural fabric of society? Does the average pure Brit even care about follow-up or know that boating’s not a recent, exploitative phenomenon?

So yes. There is a certain level of ignorance that seeps out in threads like this, with not enough relevant, direct cultural experiences of a less sinister kind of off-the-paper migration, and that’s not something that necessarily increases with age. It comes with background, associations and cultural mingling, if not membership, and that deserves respect as much as ‘I’m old enough to recount a trillion examples of dubious boat-migration from a biased, distinctly white-British, perspective in any case.’ No shade, no titty, but the other kind of experience isn’t something to mock or demean.

Interesting info below …

Oddly , I haven’t seen one single female or child in the footage we see most days !!


:::::::

Ai view

People arriving by small boat are coming from a variety of countries, with recent data showing that the top nationalities include Afghanistan, Eritrea, Iran, Syria, and Sudan. The specific nationalities can change over time due to various factors like policy changes and events in their home countries.

Top nationalities (year ending June 2025): Afghans, Eritreans, Sudanese, and Syrians are among the most common nationalities arriving in small For instance, some data from 2018-2021 indicated that around 90% of people crossing were male .


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

More to the point, I know people and have had very intimate family-friend associations with people whose dads came to the U.K. in the ’60s/’70s post-war off the back of the most relentless tribalism and I’ve got nothing but respect. Nothing but respect for people who came to the U.K. with sincerity and in the search of nothing but a better life for them and the families they went on to start, amidst the racism of the time.

The news rarely, if ever, talks about people like that. You’re not going to get the nuance of the full situation re. people coming to this country by boat if all your cue hinges on is the Daily Fail. But there’s no reason to duck with fear about the prospect of boating in itself. What swathes of people have turned it into in more recent times is another thing, but that’s not everyone. That’s not everyone’s intentions or experiences.

I know we all come from different walks of life, with different experiences and associations to boot, but there’s always a certain ignorance that seeps out in conversations like this, and all that does is taint the validity of what valid points people might otherwise be making. Especially when it’s coming from an overwhelmingly monolithic, purely white British perspective that doesn’t account for nuance but just capitulates what’s latest on the news. That doesn’t account for people who (just as an example) fled Nigeria after the Biafran war in a country that could threaten to shoot people as they entered the plane just out of anti-Igbo sentiment. For people like that, taking that boat-trip or making it firmly into that airplane just in the nick of time saved their lives. Yeah? Igbo civilians facing military checkpoints, discrimination and targeted attacks (as-if killing 3 million in that war wasn’t bloody enough, airports being a potential place of danger even for trying to escape the federal nation that savaged many just for their ethnic belonging. So what if someone like that wants to settle in Toxteth, Liverpool in full ’70s/’80s aesthetic, encourage Jheri-curls and start a family that includes four wonderful children, one a pharmacy-technician and a journalist and another an aspiring gamer? Is that the sort of thing the news covers? The follow-up in the lives of people who’ve started or moved families over and their enriching to the overall cultural fabric of society? Does the average pure Brit even care about follow-up or know that boating’s not a recent, exploitative phenomenon?

So yes. There is a certain level of ignorance that seeps out in threads like this, with not enough relevant, direct cultural experiences of a less sinister kind of off-the-paper migration, and that’s not something that necessarily increases with age. It comes with background, associations and cultural mingling, if not membership, and that deserves respect as much as ‘I’m old enough to recount a trillion examples of dubious boat-migration from a biased, distinctly white-British, perspective in any case.’ No shade, no titty, but the other kind of experience isn’t something to mock or demean.

What has that got to do with illegal migrants

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

Weren’t you on a break from TiBB?

T’was a short break my good man … thank you for your obvious concern though


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[arista]