[Swan]

Did you agree with the banning of films, the cuts made to many films? Were the nasties really that nasty?

I remember, just, the panic surrounding Child's Play 3 during the James Bulger case. As a very young child i was under the impression Child's Play 3 was to blame for the tragic event that occurred. Of course later in life i learned this not to be the case.

I have many memories of going to the little independent video rental stores as a child in the 90's and seeing all the amazing vhs covers, and mainly being attracted to the horror genre. Many stood out, but Fright Night probably stood out the most, i used to think it was awesome.

Through doing some reading on the subject, it became apparent that this wasn't a left vs right thing in the 80's, as both parties were equally against the 'video nasty' as it were.

I was just wondering if anyone had any opinions on the hysteria surrounding the panic throughout the 80's and 90's?

[Oliver_W]

I had to google "Video Nasties" because I hadn't heard that term before it was pretty obvious what it meant/what it was from your post, but thought I'd check!

I'm a big believer in any form of expression through media is okay, obviously apart from calls to violence, or involving minors being abused.

That said, I'm not a believer in freedom from consequence. If you make a film where the leader character attacks black people and calls them the N-word while being portrayed as heroic, be ready to be called racist. If you make a fictional snuff movie about Hillary Clinton, be ready to "commit suicide". If you make a film that pisses off the fanboys, be prepared to have your eyes never un-roll when you check twitter. etc etc.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't really believe in banning content from Entertainment tbh.

If you don't like it then don't watch it as the cliche goes.

[Kizzy]

I'm in the camp that it does affect your psyche, I believe in desensitisation and making films that can make people physically ill is not a good thing.
I'm not squeamish in real life, ok with wounds of all kinds but those ' buckets of blood' type films... nah, can't hack them.

[Tom4784]

Mary Whitehouse was a twat that blamed all the ills in the world on scapegoats and she never actually achieved anything meaningful. A wasted life.

Despite all the studies over decades, science has never managed to prove a link between violence and video games or violence and films. People who believe so are disregarding scientific fact in order to go with their gut and that makes them as stupid as anti-vaxxers to me.

The Video Nasty craze was nothing more than political jargon for politicians and the media to scare people with to earn votes and sell papers.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Mary Whitehouse was a twat that blamed all the ills in the world on scapegoats and she never actually achieved anything meaningful. A wasted life.

Despite all the studies over decades, science has never managed to prove a link between violence and video games or violence and films. People who believe so are disregarding scientific fact in order to go with their gut and that makes them as stupid as anti-vaxxers to me.

The Video Nasty craze was nothing more than political jargon for politicians and the media to scare people with to earn votes and sell papers.

Lots of people go with their gut on lots of things... theres no comprison to antivaxxers, nobody is at risk from my views :/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lots of people go with their gut on lots of things... theres no comprison to antivaxxers, nobody is at risk from my views :/

But it's a similar mindset. 'There's no scientific proof that it's dangerous despite many studies to see if it is but i'll believe my gut over the facts'.

Just because you aren't harming someone with your views doesn't make that you're ignoring the evidence any better. Studies have been going on in this subject since the 80's and they've become renewed in their efforts since the 90's when parents got up in arms about Doom and Mortal Kombat. 30+ years of studies have never resulted in anything other than a confirmation of no link between violent films/games and violence.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But it's a similar mindset. 'There's no scientific proof that it's dangerous despite many studies to see if it is but i'll believe my gut over the facts'.

Just because you aren't harming someone with your views doesn't make that you're ignoring the evidence any better. Studies have been going on in this subject since the 80's and they've become renewed in their efforts since the 90's when parents got up in arms about Doom and Mortal Kombat. 30+ years of studies have never resulted in anything other than a confirmation of no link between violent films/games and violence.

It's a personal belief, I have to say you're coming across a bit militant about it. Theres nothing written that says you have
To have all your views grounded in science... again it's nothing like antivaxxers or that mindset as there is no risk posed to myself or anyone else due to my views and I don't impose them on anyone else or my childrent. They can have their own view as individuals.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a personal belief, I have to say you're coming across a bit militant about it. Theres nothing written that says you have
To have all your views grounded in science... again it's nothing like antivaxxers or that mindset as there is no risk posed to myself or anyone else due to my views and I don't impose them on anyone else or my childrent. They can have their own view as individuals.

Can you stop trying to make out I'm trying to prevent you from having your own beliefs? I'm not, I'm just opposed to people talking about issues like this when there's actual scientific evidence discounting the idea that similulated violence can inspire someone to be violent who wouldn't have been without playing a game or watching a certain film.

You can have your opinion based on nothing and I can choose to say that I oppose it because science says it's bull****.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lots of people go with their gut on lots of things... theres no comprison to antivaxxers, nobody is at risk from my views :/

If your views took off we'd be in for heavy entertainment media censorship so I completely disagree. Honestly I'd rather live in a world of measles than a hardcore nanny state.

There is no proven link between media and violent tendencies... none. It's been scapegoated for years from movies to games and back again. It's just BS pop psychology and political propaganda.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If your views took off we'd be in for heavy entertainment media censorship so I completely disagree. Honestly I'd rather live in a world of measles than a hardcore nanny state.

There is no proven link between media and violent tendencies... none. It's been scapegoated for years from movies to games and back again. It's just BS pop psychology and political propaganda.

But I'm not advocating my views... I haven't suggested they need to 'take off' they are my personal views. You've whipped my comment about how I feel on this subject into me proffering a nanny state!... do you see how irrational that is?
I didn't suggest there was any links...so there's no need to get so agitated, I responded to the thread topic and unleashed a torrent of accusations and assumption. Very odd.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Watching violent films does make people more aggressive, study shows

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...udy-shows.html

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Watching violent films does make people more aggressive, study shows

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...udy-shows.html

You've missed out the important part that renders this nothing but clickbait. It only counts for people who were aggressive to begin with and there's still no link between violence and violent content to begin with. You could say a football match that's not going an aggressive person's way could make them more aggressive. Aggressive people are aggressive and prone to anger that makes them more so, that's not really anything new.

Watching a gory film does not turn a person violent, video games doesn't cause people to kill other people. It's all scapegoats to justify censorship.

[Beso]

This video games and violent films don't effect people stance is absolutely ridiculous. ..course it does..hell take the witches face that pops on screen to frighten people on the net...I showed that to my nephew and his mate when they were about 14...I met them at xmas and his mate was telling me how it effected him for years...same as beheading videos...I watched one once and it was the last thing I would see before sleeping for about 6 months and I still get the heebie jeebies now if I think about my Adams apple....

It's massive business so of course scientists may say the opposite of what's really happening as there is so juch money at stake. Only sad middle aged gamers dispute people who believe that games and films do have a massive impact on people's well being.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This video games and violent films don't effect people stance is absolutely ridiculous. ..course it does..hell take the witches face that pops on screen to frighten people on the net...I showed that to my nephew and his mate when they were about 14...I met them at xmas and his mate was telling me how it effected him for years...same as beheading videos...I watched one once and it was the last thing I would see before sleeping for about 6 months and I still get the heebie jeebies now if I think about my Adams apple....

It's massive business so of course scientists may say the opposite of what's really happening as there is so juch money at stake. Only sad middle aged gamers dispute people who believe that games and films do have a massive impact on people's well being.

Anti-vaxx logic right there, 'I don't like that science doesn't support my opinion so they're obviously taking bribes to make out that I'm wrong!' As for your obvious little jibe aimed at me after the boldened point. You are older than I am and you don't understand the differences between a fact and an opinion so how about you sit down and stay in your lane.

Also your points have nothing to do with the fact that fictional forms of media cannot turn people violent which was a chief concern of the video nasty craze. There has never been a study that has truly proved such a link which a lot of politcians would love to exist since they could Project Fear the **** out of it for votes. There is no link and being unable to accept reality so you have to lie about corrupt scientists taking bribes to hide a non-existent truth won't change that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've missed out the important part that renders this nothing but clickbait. It only counts for people who were aggressive to begin with and there's still no link between violence and violent content to begin with. You could say a football match that's not going an aggressive person's way could make them more aggressive. Aggressive people are aggressive and prone to anger that makes them more so, that's not really anything new.

Watching a gory film does not turn a person violent, video games doesn't cause people to kill other people. It's all scapegoats to justify censorship.

Yes I agree.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Violence is an extreme form of aggression, such as assault, rape or murder.

Violence has many causes, including frustration, exposure to violent media

American Psychological Association.


https://www.apa.org/topics/violence/

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Violence is an extreme form of aggression, such as assault, rape or murder.

Violence has many causes, including frustration, exposure to violent media

American Psychological Association.


https://www.apa.org/topics/violence/

But films or games can't make a person violent and no amount of twisting or clickbait on your part will change the fact that no such link exists.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But films or games can't make a person violent and no amount of twisting or clickbait on your part will change the fact that no such link exists.

They can make people depressed and anxious....draining our NHS

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They can make people depressed and anxious....draining our NHS

A happy person will not watch a violent film and develop depression over it. That's not how depression works. Games don't have that power either. If someone is depressed then the route cause goes deeper then whether or not they've played GTA or watched a Quentin Tarantino film.

For ****s and giggles, do you have any figures for how much of a drain games and films are on the NHS? Go on, indulge me.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A happy person will not watch a violent film and develop depression over it. That's not how depression works. Games don't have that power either. If someone is depressed then the route cause goes deeper then whether or not they've played GTA or watched a Quentin Tarantino film.

For ****s and giggles, do you have any figures for how much of a drain games and films are on the NHS? Go on, indulge me.

Maybe they enable depression, allowing the sufferer to forget they're ills for however long they desire..but the state of them after a 30 hour binge must deepen the depression when they stare in the mirror.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They can make people depressed and anxious....draining our NHS

So can coffee We gonna ban that next?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But films or games can't make a person violent and no amount of twisting or clickbait on your part will change the fact that no such link exists.

When you say arguments against. ..Im assuming this is the post you meant.

Perhaps read the thing.


https://www.apa.org/about/policy/violent-video-games

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

https://www.apa.org/about/policy/violent-video-games

Posting the same link that's already been dealt with in the thread won't work, Parm. You should also read it before you post it because it's not what you think it is.

It's basically saying that gaming is highly popular, there's been a lot of studies with similar results that people have interpreted in different ways despite the results being similar every time. There's little to no conclusions in that article.

Video games or films do not make people violent.

Hell, playing and watching these things certainly has made me or the other people in this thread with similar experiences no less emphatic or prone to violence. I feel faint when confronted with footage of people who have actually been harmed, maimed or killed and it seems like the same is true for other people too but, to piggy back off of TS's point. There's a lot of people who will clutch their their pearls over a video game but are desensitised to dead immigrant children washing up on shore.

I'd rather be unbothered by simulated violence and affected by the real life equivalent then pretend to be offended by simulated violence but be unaffected by witnessing actual death and harm.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Posting the same link that's already been dealt with in the thread won't work, Parm. You should also read it before you post it because it's not what you think it is.

It's basically saying that gaming is highly popular, there's been a lot of studies with similar results that people have interpreted in different ways despite the results being similar every time. There's little to no conclusions in that article.

Video games or films do not make people violent.

Hell, playing and watching these things certainly has made me or the other people in this thread with similar experiences no less emphatic or prone to violence. I feel faint when confronted with footage of people who have actually been harmed, maimed or killed and it seems like the same is true for other people too but, to piggy back off of TS's point. There's a lot of people who will clutch their their pearls over a video game but are desensitised to dead immigrant children washing up on shore.

I'd rather be unbothered by simulated violence and affected by the real life equivalent then pretend to be offended by simulated violence but be unaffected by witnessing actual death and harm.

I posted your previous response to the findings by the American psycholigy association..that is not dealing with it at all...you have rebutted nothing that the findings have said..