Notices

Serious Debates & News Debate and discussion about political, moral, philosophical, celebrity and news topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 25-01-2021, 07:18 AM #1
Ammi's Avatar
Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
Ammi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Default Disney blocks Peter Pan and Dumbo after highlighting 'harmful stereotypes'...

Disney has blocked children under seven from watching Peter Pan and Dumbo after highlighting "harmful stereotypes" in classic cartoons.

The company’s streaming platform offers Kids Profile accounts with age restrictions in place which were updated in October to address issues with racial stereotypes.

Children’s Disney+ accounts now block animated classics like Peter Pan, Dumbo and The Aristocats for breaching content advisories, it has been reported.

Swiss Family Robinson has also been made unavailable after Disney brought in new restrictions for its subscription service on the advice of experts, according to reports.

In October the company added content advisories which warned viewers these programmes include “negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures".

The warning added: "These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now."

The children’s films have been removed from Kids Profiles, but are still available for viewing on adult accounts.

Concerns were raised about the term “redskins” being used in reference to Native Americans in the 1953 release Peter Pan.

The Aristocats, brought out in 1970, features a Siamese cat called Shun Gon which some viewers have found to portray stereotypes of East Asian People.

The 1941 cartoon Dumbo has been accused of caricaturing African Americans with several characters, including black workers who claim they “throw our pay away” while toiling to build a circus.

Disney last year moved to address “negative depictions” and “mistreatment of people or cultures" following Black Lives Matter protests, and has now removed some of its older content from children’s profiles, according to the Mail on Sunday.

Disney has not commented on the changes, but a statement on the company's website states it is: “Committed to creating stories with inspirational and aspirational themes that reflect the rich diversity of the human experience around the globe.

It adds: “We can't change the past, but we can acknowledge it.”

Other Disney productions came under increased scrutiny last year as depictions of race were reexamined following the death of George Floyd.

The Jungle Book, released in 1968, received a content warning because the ape King Louie sings Dixieland jazz style and is shown as lazy and lacking linguistic skills.

The 1955 film Lady and the Tramp likewise was given a warning message due to the animation including Siamese cats portraying Asian stereotypes, and heavily-accented dogs portray stereotypes of Mexico and Russia.

The 1946 release Song of the South is not available at all on Disney platforms due to their portrayals of black people as happy in the cotton fields.


https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/disney-b...172856442.html
Ammi is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 07:26 AM #2
Oliver_W Oliver_W is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bill's Secret Garden
Posts: 17,343

Favourites (more):
BBCanada 8: Chris
Apprentice 2019: Lottie


Oliver_W Oliver_W is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bill's Secret Garden
Posts: 17,343

Favourites (more):
BBCanada 8: Chris
Apprentice 2019: Lottie


Default

how utterly stupid. Just put a trigger warning in a title card which show up for a few seconds before the films start.

"Harmful" my foot,absolutely no-one is harmed by a cartoon.
__________________

Oliver_W is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 08:15 AM #3
hijaxers hijaxers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Bristol
Posts: 13,827


hijaxers hijaxers is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Bristol
Posts: 13,827


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver_W View Post
how utterly stupid. Just put a trigger warning in a title card which show up for a few seconds before the films start.

"Harmful" my foot,absolutely no-one is harmed by a cartoon.
I agree this is totally nuts . I understand why but 'harmful ' Nah
hijaxers is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 08:17 AM #4
Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hijaxers View Post
I agree this is totally nuts . I understand why but 'harmful ' Nah
But they're not banned - and at the end of the day, isn't whether or not something is harmful to a child the decision of that child's parents? Honestly that's all this move is doing, making it parent's choice. I don't see how anyone can argue with that.
Toy Soldier is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 08:25 AM #5
Ammi's Avatar
Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
Ammi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Default

...I think that it was always going to be one of those...Can’t win for losing, situations/decisions...to have left it without any restriction of it being a parental decision, then it would leave open for it being accused of not fitting with the ‘ethics of Disney’ and showing some irresponsibility...whichever way, I feel there would be criticism...

...it’s obviously important for children to see historic stereotypes but it allows for parents to make that decision if they don’t feel it appropriate for their child to learn by seeing them...
Ammi is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 08:27 AM #6
Ammi's Avatar
Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
Ammi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Default

...maybe the headline could have been worded better to relay blocking/restricting to parental guidance...rather than ‘banned’, which they aren’t being...
Ammi is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 08:27 AM #7
Nicky91's Avatar
Nicky91 Nicky91 is offline
TeamDiegoPooth <3
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 66,755


Nicky91 Nicky91 is offline
TeamDiegoPooth <3
Nicky91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 66,755


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammi View Post
...I think that it was always going to be one of those...Can’t win for losing, situations/decisions...to have left it without any restriction of it being a parental decision, then it would leave open for it being accused of not fitting with the ‘ethics of Disney’ and showing some irresponsibility...whichever way, I feel there would be criticism...

...it’s obviously important for children to see historic stereotypes but it allows for parents to make that decision if they don’t feel it appropriate for their child to learn by seeing them...
idk
__________________
No.1 Stan Account for Diego Pooth, Dancing Star 2025!

No.1 Stan Account for Yuval Raphael, Rich Vocalist Queen, Niece of AILF Ronit Raphael, self made cosmetics empire queen

Last edited by Nicky91; 25-01-2021 at 09:05 AM.
Nicky91 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 08:08 AM #8
Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Default

Hmm. I don't think there's any harm in kids watching these films but I do think it should be with an adult to provide context (not that all will). This isn't censorship though; they're essentially just changing them from "U" rated to "PG" and there's nothing wrong with that, at the end of the day it will be parent's decision whether or not to let kids watch them, which seems like the right route forward really.
Toy Soldier is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 09:29 AM #9
Scarlett. Scarlett. is offline
Senior Moment
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 40,662

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Henry
BB7: Nikki


Scarlett. Scarlett. is offline
Senior Moment
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 40,662

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Henry
BB7: Nikki


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier View Post
Hmm. I don't think there's any harm in kids watching these films but I do think it should be with an adult to provide context (not that all will). This isn't censorship though; they're essentially just changing them from "U" rated to "PG" and there's nothing wrong with that, at the end of the day it will be parent's decision whether or not to let kids watch them, which seems like the right route forward really.
Yeah, this doesn't seem like much of a big deal.
Scarlett. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 11:26 AM #10
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier View Post
Hmm. I don't think there's any harm in kids watching these films but I do think it should be with an adult to provide context (not that all will). This isn't censorship though; they're essentially just changing them from "U" rated to "PG" and there's nothing wrong with that, at the end of the day it will be parent's decision whether or not to let kids watch them, which seems like the right route forward really.
Pretty much, it's basically just upping their age rating but it's not gonna stop people from misunderstanding what censorship is and crying that these films are being censored.

It's all quite understandable really, if these films had to be reclassified in today's world, they wouldn't be U rated. As usual, people are getting mad for no reason.
Tom4784 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 08:09 AM #11
Nicky91's Avatar
Nicky91 Nicky91 is offline
TeamDiegoPooth <3
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 66,755


Nicky91 Nicky91 is offline
TeamDiegoPooth <3
Nicky91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 66,755


Default

good decision
__________________
No.1 Stan Account for Diego Pooth, Dancing Star 2025!

No.1 Stan Account for Yuval Raphael, Rich Vocalist Queen, Niece of AILF Ronit Raphael, self made cosmetics empire queen
Nicky91 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 08:55 AM #12
Kazanne's Avatar
Kazanne Kazanne is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Gerard Butlers Undercrackersx
Posts: 62,025

Favourites (more):
Love Island 4: Eyal
DOI 2018: Alex Beresford


Kazanne Kazanne is offline
Senior Member
Kazanne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Gerard Butlers Undercrackersx
Posts: 62,025

Favourites (more):
Love Island 4: Eyal
DOI 2018: Alex Beresford


Default

Oh for Gods sake, it's all getting ridiculous, there's much worse children can watch.
__________________


RIP Pyramid, Andyman ,Kerry and Lex xx

https://www.facebook.com/JamesBulgerMT/?fref=photo

"If slaughterhouses had glass walls, most people would be vegetarian"
Kazanne is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 09:03 AM #13
Ammi's Avatar
Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
Ammi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazanne View Post
Oh for Gods sake, it's all getting ridiculous, there's much worse children can watch.
...but that’s the whole point, Kaz...it’s absolutely leaving it there for the parent to decide whether they want their children to watch...but in drawing attention to stereotyped content...?..it’s also highlighting if a parent wants to watch with their child, to guide their child through any possible discussions etc...
Ammi is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 09:13 AM #14
Kazanne's Avatar
Kazanne Kazanne is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Gerard Butlers Undercrackersx
Posts: 62,025

Favourites (more):
Love Island 4: Eyal
DOI 2018: Alex Beresford


Kazanne Kazanne is offline
Senior Member
Kazanne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Gerard Butlers Undercrackersx
Posts: 62,025

Favourites (more):
Love Island 4: Eyal
DOI 2018: Alex Beresford


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammi View Post
...but that’s the whole point, Kaz...it’s absolutely leaving it there for the parent to decide whether they want their children to watch...but in drawing attention to stereotyped content...?..it’s also highlighting if a parent wants to watch with their child, to guide their child through any possible discussions etc...
Yes I do get that ,I sit watching Disney films with my kids ,that sort of thinking doesn't cross my mind or theirs as far as I know (they have not asked questions about colour etc)we just enjoy them for the fun they are meant to be.
__________________


RIP Pyramid, Andyman ,Kerry and Lex xx

https://www.facebook.com/JamesBulgerMT/?fref=photo

"If slaughterhouses had glass walls, most people would be vegetarian"
Kazanne is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 09:30 AM #15
Ammi's Avatar
Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Ammi Ammi is offline
Quand il pleut, il pleut
Ammi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 75,024


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazanne View Post
Yes I do get that ,I sit watching Disney films with my kids ,that sort of thinking doesn't cross my mind or theirs as far as I know (they have not asked questions about colour etc)we just enjoy them for the fun they are meant to be.
..it’s good though I think to give that control to parents and also to have potential discussion points highlighted as well...it’s not something that every parent would feel the need and that’s fine too as it isn’t restricting as such, just giving more opportunity for parent/child watching together...or if a parent does feel strongly, to not have their child watch at all...obviously a parent can still choose to have their child watch without a parent as well ...
Ammi is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 08:57 AM #16
arista's Avatar
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 182,333
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
arista's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 182,333
Default

Cats talking?

Debate on LBC.
arista is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 09:01 AM #17
arista's Avatar
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 182,333
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
arista's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 182,333
Default

"ape King Louie sings Dixieland jazz style
and is shown as lazy and lacking linguistic skills."



Yes a Character, that Black Lives Matter are Now against.


Leave Louie, alone.
arista is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 09:05 AM #18
Oliver_W Oliver_W is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bill's Secret Garden
Posts: 17,343

Favourites (more):
BBCanada 8: Chris
Apprentice 2019: Lottie


Oliver_W Oliver_W is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bill's Secret Garden
Posts: 17,343

Favourites (more):
BBCanada 8: Chris
Apprentice 2019: Lottie


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by arista View Post
"ape King Louie sings Dixieland jazz style
and is shown as lazy and lacking linguistic skills."



Yes a Character, that Black Lives Matter are Now against.


Leave Louie, alone.
It takes a special kind of racist to look at an ape in a film full of talking animals, and immediately think of black people.
__________________

Oliver_W is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 10:53 AM #19
arista's Avatar
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 182,333
arista arista is offline
Senior Member
arista's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 182,333
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver_W View Post
It takes a special kind of racist to look at an ape in a film full of talking animals, and immediately think of black people.



Yes Lever Louie alone.


BAN Black Lives Matter Political Group
arista is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 11:39 AM #20
Oliver_W Oliver_W is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bill's Secret Garden
Posts: 17,343

Favourites (more):
BBCanada 8: Chris
Apprentice 2019: Lottie


Oliver_W Oliver_W is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bill's Secret Garden
Posts: 17,343

Favourites (more):
BBCanada 8: Chris
Apprentice 2019: Lottie


Default



Ugga wag, ugg wag, ugga wag, wahhh
__________________

Oliver_W is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 11:41 AM #21
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Default

Ah, so slightly less cruel than I remembered, I was sure I remembered him straight up rejecting her.
Tom4784 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 11:43 AM #22
Oliver_W Oliver_W is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bill's Secret Garden
Posts: 17,343

Favourites (more):
BBCanada 8: Chris
Apprentice 2019: Lottie


Oliver_W Oliver_W is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bill's Secret Garden
Posts: 17,343

Favourites (more):
BBCanada 8: Chris
Apprentice 2019: Lottie


Default

Like in Cinderella, the Ugly Step Sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit into the shoes , which were silk and silver rather than glass.
__________________

Oliver_W is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 11:59 AM #23
Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver_W View Post
Like in Cinderella, the Ugly Step Sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit into the shoes , which were silk and silver rather than glass.
Yeah I've heard that one too - they cut off their toes to try and get the shoes to fit or something
Toy Soldier is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 12:02 PM #24
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Default

And then don't crows peck out their eyes for their 'wickedness?' So they end up blind with mangled feet.

That's the version I remember reading in school, at least, I think it was. Maybe I'm embellishing it, given how I misremembered the details of Little Mermaid.

Last edited by Tom4784; 25-01-2021 at 12:17 PM.
Tom4784 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 25-01-2021, 12:14 PM #25
Cherie's Avatar
Cherie Cherie is offline
This Witch doesn't burn
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 65,949

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Bill Bailey
BB19: Sian


Cherie Cherie is offline
This Witch doesn't burn
Cherie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 65,949

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Bill Bailey
BB19: Sian


Default

just shows how hardy we were has kids, it was like water off a ducks back

I just remember the pretty dresses in the Cinderella books
__________________
'put a bit of lippy on and run a brush through your hair, we are alcoholics, not savages'

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beso
Livelier than Izaaz, and hes got 2 feet.
Cherie is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Bookmark/share this topic

Tags
blocks, disney, dumbo, harmful, highlighting, pan, peter, stereotypes

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:19 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

About Us ThisisBigBrother.com

"Big Brother and UK Television Forum. Est. 2001"

 

© 2023
no new posts