[Always_RiGHt]

Its 2008 and folk still sleep on park benches and the like. There is hostels which shall take these homeless people in and clear up our streets from these dirty/scruffy/horrible people living outside in the sometimes-freezing cold nights and days. How can they do it for god sake?

and the beggars in the streets make me stick too

[Shaun]

Because there aren't hostels everywhere?

Because they've seen the movie Hostel?

Because they want to?

I don't bloody know!

[Always_RiGHt]

Originally posted by Shaun
Because there aren't hostels everywhere?

Because they've seen the movie Hostel?

Because they want to?

I don't bl***y know!

It should be made illegal in my opinion.

Clean up the mess which litters our neighbourhood.

I went to London recently and was at Euston station and passed by 5 beggars sittinbg like zombies or something, looking like they had no hope in the world and begging for money off traveling folk just trying to get from a to b.

People shouldnt have to put up with this sort of infestation, should they?

[Princess]

Its not that simple! There aren't enough hostels to take in all the homeless. For the majority of people who are homeless,it is completely beyond their control.

[Always_RiGHt]

Originally posted by Princess
Its not that simple! There aren't enough hostels to take in all the homeless. For the majority of people who are homeless,it is completely beyond their control.

Then why can't the government or even the local councils do something about this neverending problem.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Princess
Its not that simple! There aren't enough hostels to take in all the homeless. For the majority of people who are homeless,it is completely beyond their control.

I actually disagree with you, most homeless people are homeless because they are stubborn and wont accept help. We are not like America, we have a full care system for homeless people. There is no reason why people should be on the streets, there are plenty of hostels and help, they are just not willing to ask for help.

I dont give them money when I walk past them for the sheer fact that they could make life far easier by asking for help. There are more hostels than you think.

I watched a program a while ago and the man actually admitted to being to stubborn to accept help, there are emergency resources for anyone becoming homeless, if you get kicked out of your house you can get help straight away, plus I don't get why they cant go to a friends or families instead of making our streets look untidy.

[Princess]

Well I know the situation over here is worse than England. We definitely don't have sufficent hostels.

[Tom]

There aren't enough free hostels and some have waiting lists. Its just not that simple especially for those without any friends/family.

[Nurse57]

And lets not forget about mental health issues.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Always_RiGHt
Its 2008 and folk still sleep on park benches and the like. There is hostels which shall take these homeless people in and clear up our streets from these dirty/scruffy/horrible people living outside in the sometimes-freezing cold nights and days. How can they do it for god sake?

and the beggars in the streets make me stick too

How naive and arrogant of you. People do not always choose to live on the streets. Some people are forced to because they have no other choice. Unfortunately they cannot all have wonderful, perfect lives and instead have to suffer out on the streets. And as for the hostels:

1). Most cost money

2). There are not enough hostels for every homeless person



Fine you may not like them "littering" your streets, but I bet you don't harp on about people throwing litter on the ground.

Why don't you go do something productive? Like go offer some help to these people on the streets by donating them some money or buying them some food or a cup of tea? Or are you completely cold hearted like you have portrayed yourself?

I know a lot about the homeless because I have doen a lot of work with them, and I know there is not enough help out there!!!

[Fom]

Well I know that in Manchester there is plenty of help and you see about 1 or 2 homeless people, if there wasn't enough help I dare say there would be more people on the streets. And another thing... why is it always the same people on the streets, when I walk up and down manchester its always the same man with his dog asking for money, never changes.
Something inside makes me think like he isn't even trying. I know that if I was homeless I would be outside that hostel every single day asking for a place. And if they cant help you with a room for the night then the government can certainly help you out with some benefits! Set you up with a temporary address so you can get some income, we are making it seem like they have the worst lives ever. But they just need to get up and help themselves. I disagree 100% that there is absolutely nothing out there for them and that everything is full up what rubbish. If that was the case, it would be such a bigger problem.

And to add to that... I take a good quote from the bible (Although im not religious its still a good point):
"Instead of giving a man a fish, teach him how to fish"
Thats true in this instinct giving them money so they can blow it on what they want... or giving them a tea is never gonna help them out in the long run is it? Sorry to sound cold hearted but what they need is some advice and a push in the right direction, not a load of free money from the public.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Fom
Well I know that in Manchester there is plenty of help and you see about 1 or 2 homeless people, if there wasn't enough help I dare say there would be more people on the streets. And another thing... why is it always the same people on the streets, when I walk up and down manchester its always the same man with his dog asking for money, never changes.
Something inside makes me think like he isn't even trying. I know that if I was homeless I would be outside that hostel every single day asking for a place. And if they cant help you with a room for the night then the government can certainly help you out with some benefits! Set you up with a temporary address so you can get some income, we are making it seem like they have the worst lives ever. But they just need to get up and help themselves. I disagree 100% that there is absolutely nothing out there for them and that everything is full up what rubbish. If that was the case, it would be such a bigger problem.

But you have to remember the world from their perspective is different. You say you would try anything to sort yourself out. It is not that easy for them as a lot have given up completely on the world and trying becuase too much negative stuff has happened, and then they become stuck in that way of thinking and it becomes near impossible to change it and find a way out to sort out their life.

Most people cannot understand becauase they will never have to do it or become so despairing. But if you did it for a week and lived alongside other homeless people, you would change your tune, trust me, I did.



and in response to the tea comment, no it's not long term aid, but sometimes compassion (even just tea) is all they need to get them through that day.

[Fom]

Hm... I understand that, and I am probably looking at it from the wrong point of view. But I stick with the idea that there is things for them to help. Maybe I didn't take into consideration their mental health, but really... what can we do? Yet again I think what they need is advice, there should be people specialized in talking to these people and getting them on the right tracks.
I just don't think there should be any reason for someone to be on the streets and that it can always be prevented, maybe I have been a bit naive about it, but to say there is no help for these people at all is a bit out there. If I was on the streets for a while I dare say that I would get to that stage, but I would also take action straight away, from the first hour of being homeless I would go to the council and put my name on the housing list, within a month I can have a flat which could be paid by benefits. Which would then give me chance to find a job and get back on track, I just have a feeling these people have let it go on far too long, and to say its not their fault is silly. I know people who have ended up homeless and got accommodation so quick, so quick in fact that they have not had to spend one night on the streets.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Fom
Hm... I understand that, and I am probably looking at it from the wrong point of view. But I stick with the idea that there is things for them to help. Maybe I didn't take into consideration their mental health, but really... what can we do? Yet again I think what they need is advice, there should be people specialized in talking to these people and getting them on the right tracks.
I just don't think there should be any reason for someone to be on the streets and that it can always be prevented, maybe I have been a bit naive about it, but to say there is no help for these people at all is a bit out there. If I was on the streets for a while I dare say that I would get to that stage, but I would also take action straight away, from the first hour of being homeless I would go to the council and put my name on the housing list, within a month I can have a flat which could be paid by benefits. Which would then give me chance to find a job and get back on track, I just have a feeling these people have let it go on far too long, and to say its not their fault is silly. I know people who have ended up homeless and got accommodation so quick, so quick in fact that they have not had to spend one night on the streets.

i never said there wasn't help, there is, but the waiting list is not as easy as just that, and it can take a lot longer (a lot) than one month. Not everyone on the street has the ability to do half of those things, and circumstances are all different as to why people are on the streets.

[Nurse57]

"certainly help you out with some benefits!"

And what address should they send the cheque too?

[Jen]

Originally posted by Princess
Well I know the situation over here is worse than England. We definitely don't have sufficent hostels.

Agreed..

[Fom]

Originally posted by Nurse57
"certainly help you out with some benefits!"

And what address should they send the cheque too?

You can set up a temporary PO box?

[Nurse57]

And what bank account would you then pay it into? You need proof of address to open a bank account.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Nurse57
And what bank account would you then pay it into? You need proof of address to open a bank account.

I am sure you could work something out with the Council, I haven't been in this position so I wouldn't know but I am sure that an office somewhere would allow you to use their address, if you are under 21 Connexions would happily let you use their offices for internet or use their address for letters. And I am sure you could work something out with someone, maybe even contacting a hostel and asking that if they cant stay there then at least can they use their address for some letters. I cant imagine someone turning them down.

[Nurse57]

I wish it was that simple. But it is not. There are no doubt some homeless who could help themselves. But like wise there are those who have slipped through the net at now find it impossible to get a foot back on the ladder.

Tell me, why would anyone choose to sleep rough in the middle of winter with little food and no heating?

[Xander]

I don't think anyone deserve to sleep on the streets, no matter what they have doesn't too deserve or there background. Everyone should sleep somewhere inside.
I really don't know why people choose to sleep on the streets, when there iss a hostel in more aless every town or city.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Xander
I don't think anyone deserve to sleep on the streets, no matter what they have doesn't too deserve or there background. Everyone should sleep somewhere inside.
I really don't know why people choose to sleep on the streets, when there iss a hostel in more aless every town or city.

They don't choose to though. There are not enough hostels for all tyhe homeless and a lot work on a turn sytem where if you have stayed at it, you can not stay again that week, to keep it fairer and so more homeless have a chance of at least one night in a bed.

[Always_RiGHt]

Originally posted by ukturtle




How naive and arrogant of you.

I am neither naive nor arrogant mate, I'm stating my opinion on the subject of homeless people littering our streets instead of themselves finding somewhere to live or the councils/government doing something about it mate.

People do not always choose to live on the streets. Some people are forced to because they have no other choice.

I am not saying that if a person gets kicked out of their house/flat that they may not end up on the street temporarily. That is always a hazard. Only recently a girl that I know got kicked out of her boyfriends house and was forced to rough it outside for just one night till she could do something to change that situation which she did do quickly, like the next day. Sadly the skirmish which I'm talking about is those dirty scruffbags that live on the street and walk and sit and lie around begging and sleeping around towns and cities, it's disgusting and you should realise that.

Unfortunately they cannot all have wonderful, perfect lives and instead have to suffer out on the streets.

Thats rubbish mate. and you know that. Many of us don't have wonderful, perfect lives but we still don't end up living like pigs on the uk's streets, dowe?

And as for the hostels:

1). Most cost money

2). There are not enough hostels for every homeless person

Thats just a cop-out

Fine you may not like them "littering" your streets, but I bet you don't harp on about people throwing litter on the ground.

What kind of comment is that mate?

Get real for **** sake.

I use the word littering as a descriptive noun which pretty much fits with homeless scum

Nothing to do with litter which goes in bins, where I throw rubbish by the way, not people.

Why don't you go do something productive? Like go offer some help to these people on the streets by donating them some money or buying them some food or a cup of tea? Or are you completely cold hearted like you have portrayed yourself?

I know a lot about the homeless because I have doen a lot of work with them, and I know there is not enough help out there!!!

God sake mate, runs to : sleep: smileys

Get some coffee and wake up and smell it because I'll tell you straight that 99% of the members on here will do exactly what I'm doing and thats **** all mate.

This is just a debate mate and I'm giving you and the rest of the bunch here my opinion about beggars and homeless residing on our streets and don't you dare talk down to me in that way saying that I am naive and arrogant and just because I don't go out there and try and help homeless folk who in my opinion should be trying more to help themselves get themselves out of the mess their in rather than living and staying in that disgusting world.

[Always_RiGHt]

Originally posted by Tom
There aren't enough free hostels and some have waiting lists. Its just not that simple especially for those without any friends/family.

Thats true and do you know what?

Something needs to be done about it and soon.

[Always_RiGHt]

Originally posted by Xander
I don't think anyone deserve to sleep on the streets, no matter what they have doesn't too deserve or there background. Everyone should sleep somewhere inside.
I really don't know why people choose to sleep on the streets, when there iss a hostel in more aless every town or city.

I think many people enjoy that type of life, mixing with the filth and germs and like the smell of unwashed clothing and the stench of an unwashed body.

I think it's vile and I'd do anything and I mean {Anything} to prevent myself from staying there.