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23-05-2018, 07:57 PM | #26 | ||
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23-05-2018, 08:00 PM | #28 | |||
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23-05-2018, 08:01 PM | #29 | ||
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Not to the NFL who are their employers - and not to many of the Americans who attend the matches who also pay their salaries.
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23-05-2018, 08:04 PM | #30 | |||
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So when they sing 'land of the free' they obviously only mean for a select few
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23-05-2018, 08:05 PM | #31 | |||
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it is to the many americans that still suffer from the institutionalized and blatant racism displayed by "the land of the free and the home of the brave"
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23-05-2018, 08:06 PM | #32 | |||
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23-05-2018, 08:08 PM | #33 | ||
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And that has nothing to do with the NFL. Again they can protest in their own time - not try to do it at their employer’s expense.
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23-05-2018, 08:09 PM | #34 | |||
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we can agree to disagree i guess
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23-05-2018, 08:10 PM | #35 | |||
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23-05-2018, 08:12 PM | #36 | ||
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23-05-2018, 08:13 PM | #37 | |||
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if they took their political protest off the field they'd just be accused of virtue-signalling or attention-seeking, and get a ton of "it's easy for you to say, in your $$$$$ mansions!" complaints. And then athletes who don't engage in politics, charity or local communities are accused of being selfish and shallow. Seems a lose-lose situation.
I don't know the words to the UK national anthem beyond the first verse - as I'm sure many here don't - but funnily enough it would be within my rights to say that's because it's a dreadfully dreary piece of music that should've been replaced with 'Jerusalem' months ago (I understand replacing things with Jerusalem is a little bit contentious lately, though ). I also am not a royalist so feel no sense of loyalty to the anthem. Does that mean I'm unpatriotic? If you're a royalist, sure. Key phrasing being 'if' though. To make a long post short: there shouldn't be a holy veil of protection around tokens and gestures of a country's sovereignty.
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23-05-2018, 08:14 PM | #38 | |||
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That's the epitome of privilege. Which is why so many folk are going to be turned off by those antics during the anthem. Donald Trump's vote count was lower than John McCain's iirc. Maybe the left needs to look at themselves and realizes if maybe if part of the reason they lost is because of their behavior... and it's not because the US is an evil entity out to ruin people's lives... there is far more evidence of the latter. Last edited by Maru; 23-05-2018 at 08:15 PM. |
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23-05-2018, 08:15 PM | #39 | ||
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This would be a lot worse if there wasn't an option for players to stay in the dressing room (and hopefully it's done on a mass scale for maximum embarrassment), but it still doesn't sit well with me that in a country that is supposed to be one of the bastions of western democracy, people are being told they can't peacefully protest during a political song. |
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23-05-2018, 08:18 PM | #40 | ||
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and even so while America does have such achievements racism is far from gone especially in this country and people need to acknowledge that
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23-05-2018, 08:41 PM | #42 | |||
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Anyway, The NFL doesn't need to pick a side. I completely understand their decision, and it's understandable why people would see the gesture as simply disrespectful (regardless of their political views) when all other media is saturated with all these messages... Last edited by Maru; 23-05-2018 at 08:48 PM. |
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23-05-2018, 08:53 PM | #44 | |||
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there should be zero politics in sport. Take a look at what happened to the Manchester City Manager when he did a silent protest by wearing a ribbon in support of Catalonia here in the UK .... Removing any form of political statement from sport is the correct solution.
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23-05-2018, 08:59 PM | #46 | |||
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im sorry, just… what?
i simply dont see any logic here at all. it’s the same as that “should kids sing the national anthem in schools?” debate - to which my answer is NO - because the world just seems to be going backwards at the minute. what a carry on. |
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23-05-2018, 10:00 PM | #47 | |||
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Yeah, I can see why people want to keep political gestures out of sport. Politics is very divisive, and people who are okay with it in sport, when it is a cause they agree with - like BLM - are often against if it was something they opposed like, say, supporting Trump.
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23-05-2018, 10:30 PM | #48 | ||
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Of course the NFL is different to a normal workplace, it's silly to pretend it is. NFL stars are visible and known to millions of people and this ban sends a message 'You're allowed opinions, just as long as it doesn't offend our sensitive right wing overlords.' These stars weren't stopping a match and wheeling out a board to preach politics, they were making a harmless statement that didn't affect the game at all but became a story because it offended a bunch of white people who don't want to acknowledge the fact that black people are being abused and killed by officers that should be protecting them. The NFL have shown themselves to be spineless bitches with this ban. |
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23-05-2018, 10:32 PM | #49 | ||
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23-05-2018, 10:39 PM | #50 | |||
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It's an American thing to play their national anthem before (domestic) sporting events. I thought they did it before music concerts also, but I can't find any evidence that happens.
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