[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, in this case it's been made clear that it's not about them "refusing service to gay people" and they've stated that they would have no problem making a birthday cake (or any other cake) for gay people, it's specifically because it's a wedding case.

Do we even know if they're actually against gay relationships in general? Or are they fine with homosexual relationships but their objection is based on the whole "sanctity of marriage" thing? But then like I said; if it's the latter, they would refuse to make wedding cakes for previously divorced people too... presumably...

As i've already said in this topic Christians are an easy target when it comes to political debates like this and different views .

The guy in the bakery still offered to bake them another type of cake , so if the couple are so persistent to go with this particular baker then why not just accept another type of cake but just use it as a wedding cake? just don't have the writing "happy birthday" on the cake . Infact birthday cakes can even say "congratulations" on it but that's besides the point .

Or like i said they could just take their business elsewhere but noo it's more fun to take the baker to court and shame him and kick up a petty fuss about it

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

As i've already said in this topic Christians are an easy target when it comes to political debates like this and different views .

The guy in the bakery still offered to bake them another type of cake , so if the couple are so persistent to go with this particular baker then why not just accept another type of cake but just use it as a wedding cake? just don't have the writing "happy birthday" on the cake . Infact birthday cakes can even say "congratulations" on it but that's besides the point .

Or like i said they could just take their business elsewhere but noo it's more fun to take the baker to court and shame him and kick up a petty fuss about it

They kicked up a fuss about having "happy birthday" written on it?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They kicked up a fuss about having "happy birthday" written on it?

Did you read what i just said ? , birthday cakes don't have to say "happy birthday" . What about a plain cake that somebody makes and passes as a birthday cake for a family member or dear friend . You can decorate a cake whichever way you want .

I 'm guessing the difference is a birthday cake is usually butter cream or chocolate, whereas traditionally wedding cakes are made of fruit and maybe even a bit of alcohol . But these days people have all kinds of wedding cakes & birthday cakes.

So the point i'm making is if they were so persistent to go with this baker even though they were offended then why not just accept the birthday cake option minus the birthday message on the cake . But if you're that upset and offended why not take business elsewhere that's what i don't understand .

And i bet if it was a jewish or muslim bakery they would just accept their beliefs and be on their way somewhere else .

I think somebody even mentioned when religious people don't serve ham and pork , you going to demand they make you a pork sandwich or just go somewhere else like a normal person ?.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Did you read what i just said ? , birthday cakes don't have to say "happy birthday" . What about a plain cake that somebody makes and passes as a birthday cake for a family member or dear friend . You can decorate a cake whichever way you want .

I 'm guessing the difference is a birthday cake is usually butter cream or chocolate, whereas traditionally wedding cakes are made of fruit and maybe even a bit of alcohol . But these days people have all kinds of wedding cakes & birthday cakes.

So the point i'm making is if they were so persistent to go with this baker even though they were offended then why not just accept the birthday cake option minus the birthday message on the cake . But if you're that upset and offended why not take business elsewhere that's what i don't understand .

And i bet if it was a jewish or muslim bakery they would just accept their beliefs and be on their way somewhere else .

I think somebody even mentioned when religious people don't serve ham and pork , you going to demand they make you a pork sandwich or just go somewhere else like a normal person ?.

If they could decorate/make a cake of their own they wouldn't have gone to a bakery? People go to these places to pay for people's expertise.

Yeah, people who don't serve ham or pork is not a valid comparison.
You wouldn't go to them for meats if they did not sell them, just as you wouldn't go to an ice cream parlour for DIY supplies. That's neither here nor there. This man refused the service that they DO OFFER on the basis of the sexuality of the couple. That is discrimination no matter how many invalid comparisons you make.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

If they could decorate/make a cake of their own they wouldn't have gone to a bakery? People go to these places to pay for people's expertise.

Yeah, people who don't serve ham or pork is not a valid comparison.
You wouldn't go to them for meats if they did not sell them, just as you wouldn't go to an ice cream parlour for DIY supplies. That's neither here nor there. This man refused the service that they DO OFFER on the basis of the sexuality of the couple. That is discrimination no matter how many invalid comparisons you make.

One again you're not listening to what i said , i never said the gay couple should "make their own cake and decorate it " . I'm merely saying a birthday cake doesn't have to have "Happy birthday" written on it (wow this is hard work) You can have a birthday cake that says congratulations or just a plain cake or one with just balloons decorated on .

It's usually the mixture that defines a birthday cake and the fact that it's 1 cake as usually a wedding cake consists of tiers and several cakes .But in this modern world all kinds of cakes have different mixtures and ingredients.

Like i said the couple could of gone elsewhere or accepted an alternative cake option .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

One again you're not listening to what i said , i never said the gay couple should "make their own cake and decorate it " . I'm merely saying a birthday cake doesn't have to have "Happy birthday" written on it (wow this is hard work) You can have a birthday cake that says congratulations or just a plain cake or one with just balloons decorated on .

It's usually the mixture that defines a birthday cake and the fact that it's 1 cake as usually a wedding cake consists of tiers and several cakes .But in this modern world all kinds of cakes have different mixtures and ingredients.

Like i said the couple could of gone elsewhere or accepted an alternative cake option .

I never said that's what you said, THAT'S WHAT I SAID, hence it appearing in MY post.

People go to bakeries for special occasion cakes because they might want something a bit more than a plain cake, especially for a wedding. Because they want personalised detail on that makes it unique. That tends to be the whole point, otherwise you could buy generic birthday/wedding/balloon whatever cakes from a supermarket.

Yes, they could go anywhere else and try alternative options. BUT the issue isn't solely about them getting the cake they want/need (I'm sure, in the end, they got the cake they wanted elsewhere?), but about being discriminated against by a business for their sexuality, which in 2018 is not acceptable.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said that's what you said, THAT'S WHAT I SAID, hence it appearing in MY post.

People go to bakeries for special occasion cakes because they might want something a bit more than a plain cake, especially for a wedding. Because they want personalised detail on that makes it unique. That tends to be the whole point, otherwise you could buy generic birthday/wedding/balloon whatever cakes from a supermarket.

Yes, they could go anywhere else and try alternative options. BUT the issue isn't solely about them getting the cake they want/need (I'm sure, in the end, they got the cake they wanted elsewhere?), but about being discriminated against by a business for their sexuality, which in 2018 is not acceptable.

I Doubt they'd feel the same way though if it was another religious bakery refusing to make a wedding cake (ie muslim or jewish) . I've seen it time after time same overreaction for particular religion and the same people who are upset turn a blind eye to other relgiions with either the same views or even stricter views smh .

I've even been around people that have contradicted themselves when it comes to accepting religious beliefs , i've heard people berate the bible and slag off christian beliefs and in the same breath they respect islam beleivers hmm... . surely all religions should be respected ?

We're not all going to have the same views but i can't stand the hypocrisy .

I don't know the ins and outs of what a birthday cake would entail that this baker would make ? , but i don't like the idea of someone being pushed into a corner forced into something he doesn't want to do .

And do we even know if the supreme judge is religious aswell or not? he could even be atheist for all we know ? but that's besides the point.