[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Maru

There we're focusing on the contrast in beliefs, which fall under Freedom of Speech. What I am talking about here is a conflict in practices. i.e. a marriage ceremony

That doesn't make any sense to me. I've read that sentence 5 times, and I still can't decipher what you mean. Any chance you can elaborate for a dumb plebe like me?

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That doesn't make any sense to me. I've read that sentence 5 times, and I still can't decipher what you mean. Any chance you can elaborate for a dumb plebe like me?

I don't know, you keep bringing up things unrelated to what is being actually being discussed. We're not having a discussion about what Christians do or don't believe. Their speech is protected by Freedom of Speech. However, for example, they can still be penalized by the law or kicked from a private etablishment if they are causing problems for other customers. (i.e. loud homophobic man screaming scriptures at other patrons).

The practice of marriage is what is causing the conflict, as they are expecting the baker to participate in that ritual despite well-knowing it is in direct conflict with their religion (however they believe), and the patrons in this case want the courts to compell their practice. Per Freedom of Religion, the courts/govt cannot interfere in that practice. If the basis were them simply being homosexual customers, then the ruling would've been very different...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Maru

I don't know, you keep bringing up things unrelated to what is being actually being discussed. We're not having a discussion about what Christians do or don't believe. Their speech is protected by Freedom of Speech. However, for example, they can still be penalized by the law or kicked from a private etablishment if they are causing problems for other customers. (i.e. loud homophobic man screaming scriptures at other patrons).

The practice of marriage is what is causing the conflict, as they are expecting the baker to participate in that ritual despite well-knowing it is in direct conflict with their religion (however they believe), and the patrons in this case want the courts to compell their practice. Per Freedom of Religion, the courts/govt cannot interfere in that practice. If the basis were them simply being homosexual customers, then the ruling would've been very different...

OK, I strongly disagree with your interpretations of the events that have taken place, and your desire to discuss religious practice/freedom in such a rose-tinted manner, but we'll never agree on this topic so rather than us both spending the next hour writing the same things at each other in 5 different ways, I'm happy to leave it there.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

OK, I strongly disagree with your interpretations of the events that have taken place, and your desire to discuss religious practice/freedom in such a rose-tinted manner, but we'll never agree on this topic so rather than us both spending the next hour writing the same things at each other in 5 different ways, I'm happy to leave it there.

Thank you