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22-07-2018, 06:47 PM | #101 | |||
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22-07-2018, 06:47 PM | #102 | |||
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saying that people arent effected by slavery today is just ignorant and could be considered offensive.
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22-07-2018, 06:48 PM | #103 | |||
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Though Redway is telling someone else that his people's suffering don't count. It does. Read some history. England's relationship with Scotland is still complex today and a lot of that is down to hundreds of years of history.
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22-07-2018, 06:54 PM | #104 | ||
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What about women of all races sold into prostitution and sexual slavery today in many countries including the West. I don’t see you being too concerned about that.
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22-07-2018, 06:56 PM | #105 | |||
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Whatever happened between England and Scotland matters to the relevant people but you’re not serious if you think you can honestly compare it to black slavery. Still felt today in reasons that aren’t the concern of people who it doesn’t affect.
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22-07-2018, 06:59 PM | #106 | |||
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So it's only black slavery that is important then? Something that has been phased out in nearly every civilised country.
I'm not trying to minimise slavery, it's abhorrent, but history has provided countless examples where races have been persecuted. It's not a competition |
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22-07-2018, 07:00 PM | #107 | |||
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that’s obviosuly horrible too but what exactly does that have to do with the post you quoted?
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22-07-2018, 07:01 PM | #108 | |||
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https://youtu.be/xEnqxawXxBY https://youtu.be/tyOr6kM_pvI https://youtu.be/mA-h9krKd2E Let’s all get around and talk about Scottish slavery though. For no other reason than proving some daft point about white people being victims and so black oriole can’t respond psychologically to their own history. Even that discussion’s got to be fronted and directed by white people. Last edited by Redway; 22-07-2018 at 07:02 PM. |
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22-07-2018, 07:04 PM | #109 | |||
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22-07-2018, 07:11 PM | #110 | |||
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Such as things that someone like you can obviously never understand. No one needs to justify yourself to you because he’d things don’t exist in your world.
Light skin/dark skin complex is a black issue that sprigs from the slavery days for one thing. You’re obviously too ignorant to know about that. And you most definitely are ignorant. You obviously don’t know anything about black culture but instead of knowing your boundaries with these race issues you’re fronting a topic that you don’t and can’t understand. Black people aren’t your mates when it comes to black history and experiences. Like I say you should know where to accept your scope of understanding can only be superficial at most because you’re not affected. That should be enough for you. It’s just like men leading feminism discussions and telling women how to react to the daily discrimination they face.
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22-07-2018, 07:11 PM | #111 | ||
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Just pointing out that black slavery is not the only kind of slavery in the world. No kind of slavery is legal in the West but you will probably find blacks enslaving other blacks in Africa. It really isn’t simply whites enslaving blacks as some are trying to imply. It is far more complicated than that.
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22-07-2018, 07:23 PM | #112 | |||
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Btw in the 1830s nearly 4000 slave owners were black, so let's not make this a black vs white thing. |
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22-07-2018, 07:25 PM | #113 | |||
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I did name a single thing though didn’t I. Read the post.
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22-07-2018, 07:30 PM | #114 | |||
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22-07-2018, 07:32 PM | #115 | |||
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England’s relationship with Scotland can still be complex today after hundreds of years but black slavery’s history that doesn’t affect people of colour anymore. I see.
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22-07-2018, 08:00 PM | #116 | |||
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Oh the light skin/dark skin thing, sorry I overlooked that as being supplementary to your overarching points.
I did! In Novemeber I went to a Blondie gig there. The tube station had one of the A-board things with a big long message with lots of song title puns in it <3 I didn't go out drinking in Brixton before/after the gig because that's not my thing, but I stayed in a hostel and started queueing at around noon. When I told people where I was going they said stuff like "oo you're brave, going there!" but I didn't feel threatened at all, people either seemed friendly or indifferent. Spoiler: |
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22-07-2018, 08:10 PM | #117 | ||
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Been discriminated against for my disability, it's mostly been ignorant comments from people unwilling to understand or listen to why it matters or how it affects me
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22-07-2018, 08:47 PM | #118 | ||
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Straight people can't really be discriminated against on the grounds of their sexuality, in theory they can but in practice it just does not happen. White people in the western world do not have to fear racism. We just don't. Again, theoretically it's possible but a white person in the west will never face the same discrimination a black person faces. What you are doing here is twisting things by making out that I've said that white straight people can't complain about discrimination at all and that's just a straight up fallacy on your part. Straight White people are just not likely to ever experience racism or discrimination against their sexuality. Ageism, disability, religion etc are a completely different barrel of fish and aren't reliant on race or sexuality and you know that. What you are doing is basically muddying the discussion to try to score a cheap win while minimalising racism and homophobia. |
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22-07-2018, 10:24 PM | #119 | |||
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22-07-2018, 10:41 PM | #120 | |||
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I dont understand why some of you are trying to make this a contest lol.
All types of discrimination are valid and tragic. This whole ‘oh just a bit of racism, why dont you care about sexism?’ ‘Oh yeh, well thats similar to scottish people so shut up’ typed argument youve made yourselves is ugly and pathetic.
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22-07-2018, 10:45 PM | #121 | |||
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22-07-2018, 10:55 PM | #122 | |||
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But yeah stigmas are common in all walks of life. It isn't limited to specific race. All cultures have some form of ethnocentrism embedded within them. Last edited by Maru; 22-07-2018 at 10:55 PM. |
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22-07-2018, 11:09 PM | #123 | |||
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22-07-2018, 11:12 PM | #124 | ||
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I've never said that it's a competition either? I think you must have either confused my post for someone else's or you are simply reading into something that isn't there. Honestly, I don't really understand the point you are trying to make in relation to what I've said. My points where very simple, I've experienced more discrimination when people believe me to be gay then if they believe me to be straight and that, in the western world, it's not really possible for white people to face the same issues of racism that say, a black person faces. I've never been discriminated on account of being a white person. I've also never been discriminated against when it comes to being a man, the only times it's come up is in conjunction with my sexuality. I don't really understand how you got anything regarding a competition from that, I truly don't. Going back to your examples, a straight white man in a mixed race relationship is not an example of sexual discrimination but of racism and it's ore often because people think the woman is not 'good enough' on accounts of her race. People aren't hating on that man because he is straight so to make out that he is being discriminated on account of his sexuality is just false. I think your point about Asian families is quite a broad stroke of a remark that is dated and not at all true for everyone. It's basically promoting a stereotype as the truth. I didn't comment on this 'traveller thread' because I was probably busy doing something else. I don't see every thread, shockingly enough. I'm not on this forum 24/7. No one needs to comment on any thread to have their opinion validated in this thread in anyway. What you are doing with that is basically denying people their opinions unless they fulfill your quota and that's quite frankly bull****. |
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22-07-2018, 11:38 PM | #125 | |||
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Aah yes that's right! I think most West Asians we refer to by their country of origin/nationality. Though I think there are the same exclusionary practices that exist in East Asian cultures as well still in favor of homogeneity... the specificity may have something to do with subsituting for the word oriental... since I think that was used as a catchall but fell out of usage due to be used as a slur at one point or another? I don't know that it is considered a slur across the board, but it has more sensitive use-cases I think. Maybe that came from the era of Japanese internment camps in the US.
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