[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How does the fact slavery used to exist affect your life today?

In ways that you can’t understand because you don’t have the experience and upbringing. Why can’t people know their boundaries when it comes to race anymore?

[ethanjames]

saying that people arent effected by slavery today is just ignorant and could be considered offensive.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by montblanc

well yes but black people are STILL affected by the aftermath of slavery today

Did I say they weren't?

Though Redway is telling someone else that his people's suffering don't count. It does. Read some history. England's relationship with Scotland is still complex today and a lot of that is down to hundreds of years of history.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by montblanc

which is why the multiple ‘it’s just history’ comments regarding african slavery are extremely ignorant

What about women of all races sold into prostitution and sexual slavery today in many countries including the West. I don’t see you being too concerned about that.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Did I say they weren't?

Though Redway is telling someone else that his people's suffering don't count. It does. Read some history. England's relationship with Scotland is still complex today and a lot of that is down to hundreds of years of history.

Whatever happened between England and Scotland matters to the relevant people but you’re not serious if you think you can honestly compare it to black slavery. Still felt today in reasons that aren’t the concern of people who it doesn’t affect.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by montblanc

what does this have to do with anything?

So it's only black slavery that is important then? Something that has been phased out in nearly every civilised country.

I'm not trying to minimise slavery, it's abhorrent, but history has provided countless examples where races have been persecuted. It's not a competition

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What about women of all races sold into prostitution and sexual slavery today in many countries including the West. I don’t see you being too concerned about that.

that’s obviosuly horrible too but what exactly does that have to do with the post you quoted?

[Redway]

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Let’s all get around and talk about Scottish slavery though. For no other reason than proving some daft point about white people being victims and so black oriole can’t respond psychologically to their own history. Even that discussion’s got to be fronted and directed by white people.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

In ways that you can’t understand because you don’t have the experience and upbringing.

Such as ... ?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Such as ... ?

Such as things that someone like you can obviously never understand. No one needs to justify yourself to you because he’d things don’t exist in your world.

Light skin/dark skin complex is a black issue that sprigs from the slavery days for one thing. You’re obviously too ignorant to know about that. And you most definitely are ignorant. You obviously don’t know anything about black culture but instead of knowing your boundaries with these race issues you’re fronting a topic that you don’t and can’t understand. Black people aren’t your mates when it comes to black history and experiences. Like I say you should know where to accept your scope of understanding can only be superficial at most because you’re not affected. That should be enough for you.

It’s just like men leading feminism discussions and telling women how to react to the daily discrimination they face.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by montblanc

that’s obviosuly horrible too but what exactly does that have to do with the post you quoted?

Just pointing out that black slavery is not the only kind of slavery in the world. No kind of slavery is legal in the West but you will probably find blacks enslaving other blacks in Africa. It really isn’t simply whites enslaving blacks as some are trying to imply. It is far more complicated than that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Such as things that someone like you can obviously never understand. No one needs to justify yourself to you because he’d things don’t exist in your world.

Light skin/dark skin complex is a black issue that sprigs from the slavery days for one thing. You’re obviously too ignorant to know about that. And you most definitely are ignorant. You obviously don’t know anything about black culture but instead of knowing your boundaries with these race issues you’re fronting a topic that you don’t and can’t understand.

So you can't name a single way that the past existence of slavery affects you today... Got it

Btw in the 1830s nearly 4000 slave owners were black, so let's not make this a black vs white thing.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So you can't name a single way that the past existence of slavery affects you today... Got it

Btw in the 1830s nearly 4000 slave owners were black, so let's not make this a black vs white thing.

I did name a single thing though didn’t I. Read the post.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Just pointing out that black slavery is not the only kind of slavery in the world. No kind of slavery is legal in the West but you will probably find blacks enslaving other blacks in Africa. It really isn’t simply whites enslaving blacks as some are trying to imply. It is far more complicated than that.

obviosuly i know that black slavery isn’t the only form of slavery but some in this thread are acting as if black slavery and the effects that came with it doesn’t affect black people (in a huge way) today

[Redway]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Did I say they weren't?

Though Redway is telling someone else that his people's suffering don't count. It does. Read some history. England's relationship with Scotland is still complex today and a lot of that is down to hundreds of years of history.

England’s relationship with Scotland can still be complex today after hundreds of years but black slavery’s history that doesn’t affect people of colour anymore. I see.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

I did name a single thing though didn’t I. Read the post.

Oh the light skin/dark skin thing, sorry I overlooked that as being supplementary to your overarching points.

Originally Posted by Redway

Some of you people need to spend a bit of time in Brixton.

I did! In Novemeber I went to a Blondie gig there. The tube station had one of the A-board things with a big long message with lots of song title puns in it <3
I didn't go out drinking in Brixton before/after the gig because that's not my thing, but I stayed in a hostel and started queueing at around noon. When I told people where I was going they said stuff like "oo you're brave, going there!" but I didn't feel threatened at all, people either seemed friendly or indifferent.

Spoiler:

I doubt you care about any of that, but still

[Ant.]

Been discriminated against for my disability, it's mostly been ignorant comments from people unwilling to understand or listen to why it matters or how it affects me

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so straight white people can't be discriminated against on grounds of age, religion, gender, disability, nationality etc ?????? your focus is purely on sexuality which really isn't the be all and end all of discrimination

Bit of a reach there, Cherie and I think you know that.

Straight people can't really be discriminated against on the grounds of their sexuality, in theory they can but in practice it just does not happen. White people in the western world do not have to fear racism. We just don't. Again, theoretically it's possible but a white person in the west will never face the same discrimination a black person faces.

What you are doing here is twisting things by making out that I've said that white straight people can't complain about discrimination at all and that's just a straight up fallacy on your part. Straight White people are just not likely to ever experience racism or discrimination against their sexuality. Ageism, disability, religion etc are a completely different barrel of fish and aren't reliant on race or sexuality and you know that.

What you are doing is basically muddying the discussion to try to score a cheap win while minimalising racism and homophobia.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a reach there, Cherie and I think you know that.

Straight people can't really be discriminated against on the grounds of their sexuality, in theory they can but in practice it just does not happen. White people in the western world do not have to fear racism. We just don't. Again, theoretically it's possible but a white person in the west will never face the same discrimination a black person faces.

What you are doing here is twisting things by making out that I've said that white straight people can't complain about discrimination at all and that's just a straight up fallacy on your part. Straight White people are just not likely to ever experience racism or discrimination against their sexuality. Ageism, disability, religion etc are a completely different barrel of fish and aren't reliant on race or sexuality and you know that.

What you are doing is basically muddying the discussion to try to score a cheap win while minimalising racism and homophobia.

I’m not minimising anything you are focussing on two issues of discrimation that you obviously feel are more important that any other, as previously said this isn’t a competition, and the number of times it happens is not relevant, straight whites can experience sexual discrimination as part of a mixed race couple and a white person would rarely be welcomed into an Asian family. I see you didn’t comment on the traveller thread either which had some of the worse discrimation I have seen on TiBB and it was allowed to stand, imagine talking a black or Asian stereotype and applying it to a whole community, the masses would be baying for blood

[Withano]

I dont understand why some of you are trying to make this a contest lol.

All types of discrimination are valid and tragic.

This whole ‘oh just a bit of racism, why dont you care about sexism?’ ‘Oh yeh, well thats similar to scottish people so shut up’ typed argument youve made yourselves is ugly and pathetic.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont understand why some of you are trying to make this a contest lol.

All types of discrimination are valid and tragic.

This whole ‘oh just a bit of racism, why dont you care about sexism?’ ‘Oh yeh, well thats similar to scottish people so shut up’ typed argument youve made yourselves is ugly and pathetic.

Maybe humans are tribal by nature?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I’m not minimising anything you are focussing on two issues of discrimation that you obviously feel are more important that any other, as previously said this isn’t a competition, and the number of times it happens is not relevant, straight whites can experience sexual discrimination as part of a mixed race couple and a white person would rarely be welcomed into an Asian family. I see you didn’t comment on the traveller thread either which had some of the worse discrimation I have seen on TiBB and it was allowed to stand, imagine talking a black or Asian stereotype and applying it to a whole community, the masses would be baying for blood

As I sit here at a multi-family Vietnamese wedding reception where the bride is white. (My husband is part of the reception.)

But yeah stigmas are common in all walks of life. It isn't limited to specific race. All cultures have some form of ethnocentrism embedded within them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Maru

As I sit here at a multi-family Vietnamese wedding reception where the bride is white. (My husband is part of the reception.)

But yeah stigmas are common in all walks of life. It isn't limited to specific race. All cultures have some form of ethnocentrism embedded within them.

In the UK, "Asian" generally refers to people from like Pakistan or India, those from Japan/China/Vietnam are generally referred to by their country In the USA it's pretty much opposite, right?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I’m not minimising anything you are focussing on two issues of discrimation that you obviously feel are more important that any other, as previously said this isn’t a competition, and the number of times it happens is not relevant, straight whites can experience sexual discrimination as part of a mixed race couple and a white person would rarely be welcomed into an Asian family. I see you didn’t comment on the traveller thread either which had some of the worse discrimation I have seen on TiBB and it was allowed to stand, imagine talking a black or Asian stereotype and applying it to a whole community, the masses would be baying for blood

This is simply a narrative that you are creating and attributing to me in order to warp what I'm saying instead of arguing against it.

I've never said that it's a competition either? I think you must have either confused my post for someone else's or you are simply reading into something that isn't there. Honestly, I don't really understand the point you are trying to make in relation to what I've said.

My points where very simple, I've experienced more discrimination when people believe me to be gay then if they believe me to be straight and that, in the western world, it's not really possible for white people to face the same issues of racism that say, a black person faces. I've never been discriminated on account of being a white person. I've also never been discriminated against when it comes to being a man, the only times it's come up is in conjunction with my sexuality.

I don't really understand how you got anything regarding a competition from that, I truly don't.

Going back to your examples, a straight white man in a mixed race relationship is not an example of sexual discrimination but of racism and it's ore often because people think the woman is not 'good enough' on accounts of her race. People aren't hating on that man because he is straight so to make out that he is being discriminated on account of his sexuality is just false. I think your point about Asian families is quite a broad stroke of a remark that is dated and not at all true for everyone. It's basically promoting a stereotype as the truth.

I didn't comment on this 'traveller thread' because I was probably busy doing something else. I don't see every thread, shockingly enough. I'm not on this forum 24/7. No one needs to comment on any thread to have their opinion validated in this thread in anyway. What you are doing with that is basically denying people their opinions unless they fulfill your quota and that's quite frankly bull****.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

In the UK, "Asian" generally refers to people from like Pakistan or India, those from Japan/China/Vietnam are generally referred to by their country In the USA it's pretty much opposite, right?

Aah yes that's right! I think most West Asians we refer to by their country of origin/nationality. Though I think there are the same exclusionary practices that exist in East Asian cultures as well still in favor of homogeneity... the specificity may have something to do with subsituting for the word oriental... since I think that was used as a catchall but fell out of usage due to be used as a slur at one point or another? I don't know that it is considered a slur across the board, but it has more sensitive use-cases I think. Maybe that came from the era of Japanese internment camps in the US.