[Garfie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That's fine i understand .

But I don't expect you to have the same opinion as me , this is why this is a forum full of debates & different discussions . I'm just not falling for Cameron's "coming out" story , yes i've said i'm cynical about things but in this case i think it's justified . But we're all free to believe what we want of course .

I think we can all be cynical at times.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Garfie

This is a really important point. Just like in real life we will all have different perceptions of people, motives and actions, and we won't all like or trust the same people. And you're so right - it is the beauty of BB.

And we don't want to lose this important element of BB, it can be hard to debate events enough without Live Feed, so I do love it when people like Cameron give us something to debate rather than nearly all of us agreeing on an event which happens a lot on BB nowadays sadly.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

And we don't want to lose this important element of BB, it can be hard to debate events enough without Live Feed, so I do love it when people like Cameron give us something to debate rather than nearly all of us agreeing on an event which happens a lot on BB nowadays sadly.

Yes, so true. After all, debate is what we all come here for. This makes me sad that BB is coming to an end.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Don't Worry GoldHeart I'm the biggest cynic and conspiracy theorist on the Forum.

Btw credit to Babayaro for having one of the most active threads this week.

I love it when the Forum has a heated debate.

I'm glad i'm not the only one that finds the whole thing suspicious , every time i ask why did he go on national telly to announce it if he's soo anxious about coming out? nobody can give a plausible answer .

I have 2 theories he's either gay and been out the closet for a good while his family & friends already know but he's pretending he's confused /playing up his young age while still acting like he hasn't told anyone etc .

Or he's actually straight and he's playing the gay card to gain sympathy and a big following to glide his way to the final . While possibly lacking relationship experience in general .


Either way its very calculated and it screams soap opera .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm glad i'm not the only one that finds the whole thing suspicious , every time i ask why did he go on national telly to announce it if he's soo anxious about coming out? nobody can give a plausible answer .

I have 2 theories he's either gay and been out the closet for a good while his family & friends already know but he's pretending he's confused /playing up his young age while still acting like he hasn't told anyone etc .

Or he's actually straight and he's playing the gay card to gain sympathy and a big following to glide his way to the final . While possibly lacking relationship experience in general .


Either way its very calculated and it screams soap opera .

I think he found it hard to tell his friends..ex schoolmates etc as he mentioned them in the first week which I found odd. I think doing it this way softened the blow..so to speak because he didn't know what reaction he might get.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I wear my cynical badge with pride. Rather be a cynic than gullible.

Must be terrible to have such a negative outlook on everything

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I think he found it hard to tell his friends..ex schoolmates etc as he mentioned them in the first week which I found odd. I think doing it this way softened the blow..so to speak because he didn't know what reaction he might get.

AGAIN makes no sense !! , he seemed more bothered & concerned about some old school mates who he probably never hangs around with . He didn't even mention his parent's . The whole thing screams FAKE ! . But maybe i'm just cynical .

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Is it just me, or is this incredibly insensitive? Like, what signs has there been to suggest that none of this has been genuine?

I suppose the fact that he was dropping hints about having something big to get off his chest since, like, Day 2 (when Lewis F asked him what kind of girls he goes for). Coupled with the facts that:

a) he's presumably a fan of the show and knows what gets fans
and b) is also a vlogger and quite aware of how to get attention on camera (although usually taking the "rant about feminism and lefties despite not having lived a day of adult life" route)

Adds up to a pretty cynical picture, really. Obviously no one on here can speak for his personal life / how "known" his sexuality was to his friends/family but even if it is a completely novel and new revelation to himself... to do that on television rather than private, and tell people who care about him first, is all kinds of opportunistic EDIT: just seen a post claiming his parents knew. Fair enough, really, but even still... the idea of coming out on TV seems tacky to me.

I don't doubt that a large portion of the cynicism about this probably stems from a deeper dislike of Cameron but as someone who hasn't really watched since before he took a nosedive in popularity, I just generally got the impression that he was a contrived and try-hard personality just from his YouTube alone. Seems only inevitable that people would or indeed should accuse him of milking the cameras.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

It must be so exhausting for you all to watch BB the way you do. Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

okay I can't be the only person who finds this post in particular to be ****ing hilarious right

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I suppose the fact that he was dropping hints about having something big to get off his chest since, like, Day 2 (when Lewis F asked him what kind of girls he goes for). Coupled with the facts that:

a) he's presumably a fan of the show and knows what gets fans
and b) is also a vlogger and quite aware of how to get attention on camera (although usually taking the "rant about feminism and lefties despite not having lived a day of adult life" route)

Adds up to a pretty cynical picture, really. Obviously no one on here can speak for his personal life / how "known" his sexuality was to his friends/family but even if it is a completely novel and new revelation to himself... to do that on television rather than private, and tell people who care about him first, is all kinds of opportunistic EDIT: just seen a post claiming his parents knew. Fair enough, really, but even still... the idea of coming out on TV seems tacky to me.

I don't doubt that a large portion of the cynicism about this probably stems from a deeper dislike of Cameron but as someone who hasn't really watched since before he took a nosedive in popularity, I just generally got the impression that he was a contrived and try-hard personality just from his YouTube alone. Seems only inevitable that people would or indeed should accuse him of milking the cameras.

But yeah, this is exactly it for me. I'm like a solid 8-10 days behind so you can all just disregard my posts as someone who is ~uniformed~ or whatever, but just like Shaun said he was dropping not-so-subtle hints EARLY AS HELL, like in the first week when they were all naming their most attractive boy and girl and Cameron like physically squirmed at the thought of naming an attractive girl, insisted that he doesn't have a type BUT WITHOUT HESITATION LEWIS F IS THE MOST ATTRACTIVE DUDE YEAH. I don't even think anyone really has an issue with how he's coming out because lbr the vast majority of us are gays who've been there done that, but it's just more of like... who are you trying to fool sis? Am I *really* supposed to take you at face value when one day you'll have a DR analyzing everyone's gameplans and house dynamics and public voting trends and whatnot, and then the next day have some borderline teary, terribly coded DR about how you have A Secret that will have implications not only in the house but In Life?

I guess what it comes down to is that I'd be totally okay if this was a messy Craig Coates type of situation, but instead we're getting this contrived as **** "I'm going to consciously drive my own storyline that I have most likely developed entirely on my own terms before even entering the house" bull**** and like... we've already lived through Dexter Koh and Aaron and Siavash and literally SO MANY ****ING PEOPLE going all the way back to like... Ziggy or even Richard? It's just such a ****ing tired trope at this point.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Constantly looking out for faults in people and finding negativity in a positive situation.

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

okay I can't be the only person who finds this post in particular to be ****ing hilarious right

Nope, that one sentence there literally defines what BBUK is all about lol, it's a show where you vote to evict people you don't like and actively look for reasons to vote someone you've never met off of an edited show you watch for an hour a day.

[Ammi]

..I don’t think his coming out is a game plan...although the thing that he’s chosen BB as the time and place to come out I guess he could link to being a way that could be beneficial gameplay as it were....so I don’t think it’s cynical either for thoughts to be that...it’s perfectly obvious and understandable that some people would suspect that also and not fair to attach the label of cynical....imo...


...anyways, some people who are open about their sexuality, just introduce partners etc...with no declaration as such ever being involved...everyone would be different with so many individual factors involved as well ...Being on BB is a once in a lifetime experience...something of monumental importance in a person’s life...so I think he’s tried to link two things together that hold such importance and significance for him..?....I’m trying to think of some kind of analogy...maybe like when people propose to someone at a Super Bowl or something...eeeek that’s probably a bit awful, that analogy......but it feels a bit like that for me...he’s a huge BB fan and has actually been chosen to become a housemate...omg what a dream come true...so coming out in his dream situation of the BB house, would just seem to fit into place for me as being perfect for him...he knows that those close to him already know his sexuality but this is him....I’m telling the world, omg I’m telling the god damn world....awwwwww ...his way, his time, his place ...how many BB fans have actually been chosen as housemates so that this ‘perfect situation’ could happen ....

...but ya know, he can be a misery and a right royal pain of negativity at times and of course he’s very BB gameplay aware also...so I think cynical is completely understandable as well when he’s not always made himself very public popular...when I think about it, I think he probably intended to reveal earlier on...but the ‘right time’ was always possibly spoilt by some tantrum or drama or fallout or cauliflower or chicken or whatever...and ‘the right time’ would be such an important thing as well for him...that’s why in the Super Bowl proposals, they’re not right in the middle of the game while all eyes and highlights are on something else...


...he can still make himself quite unlikeable at times though..I have no idea why he would hero worship someone like Lewis but he seems to...and that creates such a negativity in him, almost like Lewis is contagious...don’t get too close to him otherwise you’ll catch the negativity disease with whinging and bitching complications adding to the illness...so I’m not sure whether he would be a great winner atm...he also wouldn’t be a bad one though...but for last night and him doing what he so wanted to do...Cameron.....

[Cherie]

I like Cameron but if I were a friend of his I would be a bit pissed he didnt confide in me, but chose to out himself on TV after dropping great clangers of hints since day 1, he is gameplaying and I have no issue with that at all.

Daniel X in this thread

[Ammi]

...I’m guessing and it is only a guess that could be completely wrong...that his family and close friends do know...but that he may not have actually said the words as such or even acknowledged anything they may have asked, type thing...and that they all know what he wanted to do in the house and completely understand and wouldn’t feel anything other than supportiveness...

[bitontheslide]

BB is a game show, and Cameron has brought that narrative into the game show, so by definition he is using it as part of his game plan. I don't know how people can see it any other way

If it's a total lie then that could bring some negativity, sure, but I dont believe anyone cares that much. The majority of male hm's in the show are gay, so its not exactly a USP

[Ammi]

...maybe being chosen for BB has been connected to him choosing a ‘public coming out’ to everyone who knows him, not just those he’s closer to...which he might not have intended to do in his outside life...so it has been a deciding factor...with forethought, yes...but calculated gameplay...not necessarily...anyway, hopefully he’s feeling all kinds of happy in himself now and I’m so happy for him.....

[parmnion]

Maybe Cameron thought that when he was in the house and on national tv, that he wouldn't be able to hide the fact that he was gay. Maybe he thinks he looks and acts gay, whatever that is!

So he felt like he had to come clean, but he still can't say the word gay, not even whilst coming out so that could be why he always skirted round the issue.

[parmnion]

Small town boy moves to London to explore and reveal his sexuality. This has been going on since the 50s so I'm not sure why it's such a surprise Cameron did the same.

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

okay I can't be the only person who finds this post in particular to be ****ing hilarious right

How?

[Babayaro.]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Nope, that one sentence there literally defines what BBUK is all about lol, it's a show where you vote to evict people you don't like and actively look for reasons to vote someone you've never met off of an edited show you watch for an hour a day.

Speak for yourself lol

[Babayaro.]

And that was aimed at most of the people posting in this thread, who are a constant source of negativity on here.

[mizzy25]

I don't actually care if it is a gamplan, its made for great tv imo

[AProducer'sWetDream]

It reminds me a lot of my own experience of coming out when I moved to university tbh. I wasn't out at home but I knew people at uni would be very accepting and I wanted to start living my life, so to speak. However, I was very scared of saying the actual words and being fully open about it because I had this paranoia that it would somehow spread to my friends back home if I was open about it. So I would try and make it obvious while never actually saying the words, 'I'm gay'

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

It reminds me a lot of my own experience of coming out when I moved to university tbh. I wasn't out at home but I knew people at uni would be very accepting and I wanted to start living my life, so to speak. However, I was very scared of saying the actual words and being fully open about it because I had this paranoia that it would somehow spread to my friends back home if I was open about it. So I would try and make it obvious while never actually saying the words, 'I'm gay'

This is totally understandable, as is Cameron's decision. I think it must be about discovering the right environment where you feel free enough to be yourself around people you know will accept you for who you are. For you it was Uni and for Cameron it was the BB house.

I think it's great you've shared your story, and would hope it will enable people to be more understanding, and to see Cameron's decision from another perspective.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

And that was aimed at most of the people posting in this thread, who are a constant source of negativity on here.

it would be nice if people talked about the housemates rather than about forum members