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Old 05-01-2019, 06:14 PM   #51
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Old 05-01-2019, 06:35 PM   #52
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4 sexualities (hetero, homo, bi, asexual) AND I wanna say there's only two genders but I'm not too sure on "gender neutral". Like, is it possible to not be comfortable in being either a man or woman's body? I'll never know, but it's something that'll always be in my head when discussing gender

but in the end I don't share my beliefs ever, if someone came to me and said they're "pansexual" or "genderfluid" I'd just nod and let them identify how they choose
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:31 PM   #53
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to be fair I doubt you can make that call as you would not know

Its like when people say that advertising does not affect them and then you look in their fridge and hey presto..
Eh? So people shouldn't own food or they're falling for marketing hype? Hmmm.
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2 Sexes ...... Male and Female ......... End of
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Feminism is about equality. If it's not about equality, it isn't feminism.

People get way too wrapped up in fake feminist theories and take that to mean that's what the entire movement are hoping to achieve. The belief that women should one day be able to 'run the world' and look down on men is backwards nonsense and not feminism at all.
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Regarding gender... Male and female, of course. But I have no issue with whichever one chooses to identify as, given that hormone production during pregnancy serves as biological evidence for the fluidity of gender. You have biological females born with high levels of testosterone and biological males born with high levels of oestrogen, and therefore may bear male and female characteristics respectively. If one doesn't feel comfortable in the body they were born in, who am I to say that's wrong?

What is starting to worry me is the possibility that claiming one's own gender as being different to that they were born with is becoming "trendy". Because it isn't a decision that should be taken lightly and I fear that may end up being the case. "Perhaps you're male/female" should never be the first piece of advice for someone who is struggling with their identity, either.

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Old 06-01-2019, 06:17 PM   #59
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There are two genders: male and female. You can be transsexual... but you will still biologically be the gender you were born to. That's not to say you can't live a perfectly happy and fulfilled life... but a transsexual woman is not the same as a born woman. Equal, worth just as much... but different.
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oh god this forum is not ready for Judith Butler. In all the years I've had these discussions I've made a conscious effort not to reference her work

It's her reflections on sexed bodies (and how you cannot understand sex without gender) that I find most interesting, there is an extraordinary passage in Gender Trouble on that that I'll try and find at a later date

If you're interested in queer theory though I'd highly recommend Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick's Epistemology of the Closet, it's essential reading for The Gays and will change your life, trust! And obviously you can't understand sexuality without reading Michel Foucault either. Essentially my position/area of interest is no longer "hm, I wonder whether sexuality is innate or nurtured " but rather "the very notion of 'having' a sexual orientation in the first place is in fact the product of discursive formation". I've posted excerpts of these on here before so give me a shout if you want me to expand, it's the 6th January and I cba

I can't believe THIS is my first post in over two weeks Happy New Year y'all, btw
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oh god this forum is not ready for Judith Butler. In all the years I've had these discussions I've made a conscious effort not to reference her work

It's her reflections on sexed bodies (and how you cannot understand sex without gender) that I find most interesting, there is an extraordinary passage in Gender Trouble on that that I'll try and find at a later date

If you're interested in queer theory though I'd highly recommend Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick's Epistemology of the Closet, it's essential reading for The Gays and will change your life, trust! And obviously you can't understand sexuality without reading Michel Foucault either. Essentially my position/area of interest is no longer "hm, I wonder whether sexuality is innate or nurtured " but rather "the very notion of 'having' a sexual orientation in the first place is in fact the product of discursive formation". I've posted excerpts of these on here before so give me a shout if you want me to expand, it's the 6th January and I cba

I can't believe THIS is my first post in over two weeks Happy New Year y'all, btw
finally some common ground for us

Gender Trouble I have found extremely challenging... I've just started part 2 and it does seem to be getting better. The first part of the book that made complete sense for me was the end of Part 1 which concluded those ideas.

I will definitely need to look into that book! I've wanted to do a book on queer theory or LGBT history next.
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