[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Then importance is part and parcel of that, not sure why my interpretation is wrong in that regard.

I didn't say your interpretation was wrong, but it didn't go far enough to answer my question.
I'd imagine all of us here would agree human life is important or of importance.
But would you say it is of paramount importance? That it trumps other things and values? I.e. it's absolutely sacrosanct, not to be violated at any cost?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s still a difficult question though...sorry I’m not being difficult and evasive, TS...but not every human life will have the same value to every human...?..in the recent story for instance that sparked your thoughts...?....the loss of life of that hunter/poacher appears to have held very little value to some... I mean how could it...there is no emotional attachment to him and what he was doing when he was killed abhorred some people...?..do where was the value placed on him by some, there just wasn’t any...but he had daughters...he had a family and friends and loved ones in his life who would have placed an entirely different value on him...if human lives have value that is above all else...?...then they have that value by those who place the value on them...it’s an entirely personal thing...

but to you, is it sacred, yes or no?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I didn't say your interpretation was wrong, but it didn't go far enough to answer my question.
I'd imagine all of us here would agree human life is important or of importance.
But would you say it is of paramount importance? That it trumps other things and values? I.e. it's absolutely sacrosanct, not to be violated at any cost?

I suppose I do, but not "at any cost". Certain extreme circumstances. Like I don't agree with abortion unless the pregnancy poses a risk to the mother's life/health and in rape cases etc.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

but to you, is it sacred, yes or no?

...I guess in a situation where I would just ‘act’ rather than think..?...my instinct would be yes human life is sacred above all other life...I mean for instance in those dilemma/type situations...if there was a burning building and I was given a choice of saving a human life or saving an an animal life but both couldn’t be saved...?...the I would choose the human always I feel...but I still can’t say that I absolutely believe in the sanctity of human life because my beliefs are pro choice in some things that would go against that...

[Ammi]

...for me it’s not a yes or no answer, sorry Twosugars....

[Elliot]

The question is a bit vague. I believe humans are valuable. I don’t believe they’re sacred in a religious sense. I don’t believe they’re any more valuable than any other mammal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

no

our lives are as meaningless as a blade of grass or a drop of rain

[Crimson Dynamo]

or the sugarbabes

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no



our lives are as meaningless as a blade of grass or a drop of rain

Yours might be, I on the other hand am precious.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no

our lives are as meaningless as a blade of grass or a drop of rain

Why advocate a 6-day working week in that case?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

Why advocate a 6-day working week in that case?

same reason you watch a film when you know it will end in 2 hours with a happy ending

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

same reason you watch a film when you know it will end in 2 hours with a happy ending

that's for entertainment and escapism, surely? Most of us don't get that at work LT!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

that's for entertainment and escapism, surely? Most of us don't get that at work LT!

says you sat in the back room at work currently watching youtube on your tablet

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

says you sat in the back room at work currently watching youtube on your tablet

I have no counterargument to this

[Crimson Dynamo]

and i know it was ladyboydiet.com but i was being polite..

[Garfie]

All life on this planet is as valuable, whether human, animal or plant life. Without plant life neither animals or humans could exist, so can human life be seen as more valuable? And, although I understand that one species uses another to survive, in all truth, what right does any human have to say that they are more valuable than any other sort of life?

Every living thing on this planet is in a battle to survive as long and as well as possible, so each living thing must feel it's survival is of utmost importance.

Ironically, I believe that human beings are the only species that consciously behave in ways that they know will risk their health, well-being and survival, or are willing to actually choose to take their own lives.

I don't think that answers the question at all, but these are my immediate thoughts on the subject. I guess these thoughts are leading me to the conclusion that no, all human life can't possibly be sacred (or even be seen as sacred by most of us) when as individuals and as a species we seem to be destroying all our chances of long term survival.

All the time that some of the human race is killing itself through greed, over-indulgence and excess, whilst standing by and watching human beings in other parts of the world starve, we cannot say that as a species, we believe in the sanctity of human life. And, as individuals, unless we are avoiding taking part in practices that are likely to cause us harm, and are actively involved in protecting the lives of other humans at risk or in danger, how can we truly say we believe in the sanctity of human life?

I liked to claim to believe in the sanctity of human life, but through responding to your question, Twosugars, I realise I'd be lying to myself by claiming I did.

Well, that was eye-opening!

[Twosugars]

Thank you, Garfie. You said what I was thinking too.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

says you sat in the back room at work currently watching youtube on your tablet

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Garfie

All life on this planet is as valuable, whether human, animal or plant life. Without plant life neither animals or humans could exist, so can human life be seen as more valuable? And, although I understand that one species uses another to survive, in all truth, what right does any human have to say that they are more valuable than any other sort of life?

Every living thing on this planet is in a battle to survive as long and as well as possible, so each living thing must feel it's survival is of utmost importance.

Ironically, I believe that human beings are the only species that consciously behave in ways that they know will risk their health, well-being and survival, or are willing to actually choose to take their own lives.

I don't think that answers the question at all, but these are my immediate thoughts on the subject. I guess these thoughts are leading me to the conclusion that no, all human life can't possibly be sacred (or even be seen as sacred by most of us) when as individuals and as a species we seem to be destroying all our chances of long term survival.

All the time that some of the human race is killing itself through greed, over-indulgence and excess, whilst standing by and watching human beings in other parts of the world starve, we cannot say that as a species, we believe in the sanctity of human life. And, as individuals, unless we are avoiding taking part in practices that are likely to cause us harm, and are actively involved in protecting the lives of other humans at risk or in danger, how can we truly say we believe in the sanctity of human life?

I liked to claim to believe in the sanctity of human life, but through responding to your question, Twosugars, I realise I'd be lying to myself by claiming I did.

Well, that was eye-opening!

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Thank you, Garfie. You said what I was thinking too.

Thanks for the thought provoking question, Twosugars. I didn't know my answer when I started my response but enjoyed the process of getting there (even if I didn't enjoy the conclusions I came to!).