[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Elliot

This forum alone proves this isn’t the case

... Go on ... ?

[Liam-]

As long as in certain states of America companies are legally allowed to fire gay people just for being gay, then there are still problems to fight

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

As long as in certain states of America companies are legally allowed to fire gay people just for being gay, then there are still problems to fight

Then let's keep walking down the street in bondage gear, that'll fix everything!!11

[Marsh.]

Stop embarrassing yourself Oliver.

Next you'll be telling us women have no more reason to fight politically. It's not as though they're having their rights stripped left and right... oh wait.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Then let's keep walking down the street in bondage gear, that'll fix everything!!11

While I agree that that’s a tad grotesque, the percentage of people that actually do that is so small that it shouldn’t demean the rest of the event, quite frankly, you’re being purposely obtuse, for what reason? Idk, but to suggest there isn’t still a fight happening for gay equality is ridiculous

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Stop embarrassing yourself Oliver.

Next you'll be telling us women have no more reason to fight politically. It's not as though they're having their rights stripped left and right... oh wait.

Which rights have been stripped away?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

While I agree that that’s a tad grotesque, the percentage of people that actually do that is so small that it shouldn’t demean the rest of the event, quite frankly, you’re being purposely obtuse, for what reason? Idk, but to suggest there isn’t still a fight happening for gay equality is ridiculous

I'd never say that it's all rosy now, but in the UK we have all the rights we need. We're even allowed to drive, fancy that!!11

The only real issues gays still face are social ones, and they need to be addressed in different ways

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which rights have been stripped away?

The choice of whether or not they want to have a baby for a start

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'd never say that it's all rosy now, but in the UK we have all the rights we need. We're even allowed to drive, fancy that!!11

The only real issues gays still face are social ones, and they need to be addressed in different ways

Pride is an international thing, so again, to suggest getting rid of it because we’re treated alright here is ludicrous.

And how do you suggest going about that? Hiding away and not rubbing our gayness in the straights faces?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The choice of whether or not they want to have a baby for a start

I'm talking about the UK. If we're worrying about the rights of women overseas, we'd be better off looking Eastward.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Pride is an international thing, so again, to suggest getting rid of it because we’re treated alright here is ludicrous.

And how do you suggest going about that? Hiding away and not rubbing our gayness in the straights faces?

Increase the push for employee rights in general, including for LGBT people. (if we're still talking about the way some states can fire gays for being gays)

As for general acceptance, people being positive role models and openly gay is the best way foward

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm talking about the UK. If we're worrying about the rights of women overseas, we'd be better off looking Eastward.

We’re talking about Pride, a worldwide events, but nice little tactic there, avoid the human rights issues in America by pointing fingers elsewhere

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which rights have been stripped away?

For women?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm talking about the UK. If we're worrying about the rights of women overseas, we'd be better off looking Eastward.

Because the circumstances for women and gay people is so much better "Eastward"?

If women are having their rights to their own bodies stripped away even in the West then there is still very much a fight to be had. The same goes for homosexuals.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because the circumstances for women and gay people is so much better "Eastward"?

If women are having their rights to their own bodies stripped away even in the West then there is still very much a fight to be had. The same goes for homosexuals.

What about the rights of babies' bodies? They probably wouldn't choose to be killed. But women do have the choice to ensure they don't get pregnant in the first place.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What about the rights of babies' bodies? They probably wouldn't choose to be killed. But women do have the choice to ensure they don't get pregnant in the first place.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What about the rights of babies' bodies? They probably wouldn't choose to be killed. But women do have the choice to ensure they don't get pregnant in the first place.

Except those that are raped that is, they have no choice in it

[Liam-]

Gross

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Except those that are raped that is, they have no choice in it

Morning after pill?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What about the rights of babies' bodies? They probably wouldn't choose to be killed. But women do have the choice to ensure they don't get pregnant in the first place.

And what about women that miss the 72 hour deadline for the morning after pill, whose circumstances change, who face birthing a child who will have zero quality of life due to disabilities, what about a young mum who was a little naive. A woman should have the right to dictate what happens with their body. Until the day a man can bear a child, men should not have the right to dictate what a woman does with her body. I'm all for lowering time limits on abortions, the current 24 week limit in the UK is too late but to take the choice away is wrong imo.

On topic, Pride is commercialised but as long as people need to fight for equality and diversity, it will be a thing and rightly so.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Morning after pill?

Grim

[Ammi]

...the thread just recently, pondering whether there could be a time of Science ‘fixing the gay’ would show that society is apparently not as all accepting and tolerant as it should be...

[Tom4784]

'Let's not focus on problems on our side of the world when we can just pretend they don't exist so we can tut in judgement of arabic people.'

That's the long and short of your argument regarding human rights abuse in the US.

[parmnion]

It's a go to atm for large companies....something to grab onto to show an understanding side to them...


They won't think twice about dropping the themes they have adopted when the next opportunity arises for them..

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'It means nothing'.

So much ignorance. Learn your history.

I love history - kings and queens and wars and old gods and old cultures ... the history of how homos treated isn't as interesting, and learning about it won't give me more appreciation of being attracted to the same gender.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'Let's not focus on problems on our side of the world when we can just pretend they don't exist so we can tut in judgement of arabic people.'

That's the long and short of your argument regarding human rights abuse in the US.

We're not American, so why complain about American things? If you're going to complain about American things, why not worse things?