[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If Scotland get the opportunity to vote for independence, and they will, because the people cannot be ignored, they will vote for independence if Boris is still at the helm

I was watching Jeremy Vine this morning bots and some Scots rang in and said a lot of them like Boris and its Nicola Sturgeon that is dividing the country and that she needs to stop concentrating so much on a having a vote to be independent and get to grips with the health services etc and they don't want to be separated from England, so not all Scots like her or want to separate, so not sure how that vote would go.

[Oliver_W]

Maybe Sturgeon should get on with running her part of the country instead of trying to make it a separate one

[Kizzy]

James there is was and always will be animosity it's historical as well as political that was my original point. Can the Scots trust the English govt to do right by them?
Look at 79 when the SNP helped the Tories bring down the Labour govt.. It was the EU that helped Scotland and their large areas of socioeconomic depravation until they achieved the devolution that was denied them then.

To pro brexit English you are already foreigners, I can understand the worry independence will bring though. Would being dragged out of Europe against your will not cause similar division?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Its better than nothing
At least the Irish leader
knows the Back Stop is gone

Dividing economy of the island of Ireland is gonna rack up the tensions. A dangerous game.

But he's playing to his electorate. A poll of conservatives showed they care more about brexit than Ireland or Scotland.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Dividing economy of the island of Ireland is gonna rack up the tensions. A dangerous game.

But he's playing to his electorate. A poll of conservatives showed they care more about brexit than Ireland or Scotland.

And nobody anywhere was surprised...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by James

People need to air their differences in private messages rather than threads.

sometimes that isnt a good idea

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I have my pms with you so we can check
18 months and I've just joined. Ok. So resentment a newbie has opinions? Wow.
Parm, is referring to me defending Nicky in his convo with Livia, btw, to those who don't know. I felt Livia was taking advantage and told her so.
That's how I felt. You don't jump to your friends assistance even if they don't ask you? I make no apologies for it. Nicky told me since there was no need and I take that on board. But at the time I reacted as I saw it.
And here you are attacking me for this. ok.
anything else?

The mods are here to sort things out, there was no need for you to jump in at all. And as you now know you were way off the mark. Nicky doesn't need protecting from me, we disagree and yet are still friends.

[arista]

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was watching Jeremy Vine this morning bots and some Scots rang in and said a lot of them like Boris and its Nicola Sturgeon that is dividing the country and that she needs to stop concentrating so much on a having a vote to be independent and get to grips with the health services etc and they don't want to be separated from England, so not all Scots like her or want to separate, so not sure how that vote would go.

There are a lot of Scots that don't like Nicola, me included (although i don't live in scotland) But let's be honest, Boris and his cabinet voted down a solution 3 times that would have been acceptable and are now hell bent on jumping off a cliff. It's a red rag to a bull

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

The mods are here to sort things out, there was no need for you to jump in at all. And as you now know you were way off the mark. Nicky doesn't need protecting from me, we disagree and yet are still friends.

Yes, Nicky says there was no need and I believe him. So accept my apologies.
Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sometimes that isnt a good idea

Agree.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was watching Jeremy Vine this morning bots and some Scots rang in and said a lot of them like Boris and its Nicola Sturgeon that is dividing the country and that she needs to stop concentrating so much on a having a vote to be independent and get to grips with the health services etc and they don't want to be separated from England, so not all Scots like her or want to separate, so not sure how that vote would go.

Exactly the same as the last time...that is how it would go...Nicolas support is dropping day by day.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

My condolences.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Exactly the same as the last time...that is how it would go...Nicolas support is dropping day by day.

Really? I read her support has improved on johnson's election. A boris bounce if you will...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Really? I read her support has improved on johnson's election. A boris bounce if you will...

The polls are not to be believed on tibb.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The polls are not to be believed on tibb.

yours saying her support is slipping or mine saying it's growing?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My wife is English, has lived and worked in Scotland for 8 years and has literally never experienced any "anti-English bile". Yet you've experienced "quite a lot" on visits. That's a bit odd, isn't it.

Have you seen and heard them when the English are playing football.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The polls are not to be believed on tibb.

… or anywhere else!

[arista]

In Wales Today he is talking Tough.



The EU has chance to to talk with him
if he gets his new deal on their table - a New Deal is Possible
digging your heals in on the backstop
will put us into No Deal.
So many are saying a General Election?
But Johnson has stated No
we leave the EU on the 31st of October.

[Twosugars]

Trying to shift the blame already.

[Twosugars]

One thing that people happy with a no deal forget is

Would it mean Brexit is finally over?
No. One of the biggest appeals about a no-deal Brexit for voters who support it is the idea of “getting it over with”, absorbing whatever chaos takes place and moving on to other priorities. But this is a fantasy. The UK could not trade perpetually on WTO terms and would need to make a permanent trade deal with the EU – involving just the same issues as before, such as a divorce payment, and arrangements for the Irish border. The main difference is that this would all need to happen as quickly as possible, without the buffer of a transition period running to the end of 2020.

[joeysteele]

As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about.

Then whatever the support is for Scotland's independence now, after a no deal, I'd expect support to rise considerably.

If the Prime Minister of the UK is not bothered about that, and it was stated Conservative party members felt losing Scotland was a price worth paying for a no deal brexit

Then the speculation at present looking at could Johnson be the last Prime Minister of the UK, could well become a reality.

If he risks that, he will be proven to have been a really dangerous individual to have ever been put in the highest office of the, ( at present), United Kingdom.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Trying to shift the blame already.

No its the Former UK PM fault
Johnson says you can talk
only when you take away the backstop
He talking Tough.

The EU will not change
that's their one chance

[arista]

"As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about."


Joey this PM Johnson
is not giving Scotland a 2nd Vote on Independence.

The Scottish
are part of GB.

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

"As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about."


Joey this PM Johnson
is not giving Scotland a 2nd Vote on Independence.

The Scottish
are part of GB.

that's not the way it works Arista, if the Scottish people make clear that they want a referendum, they will have one whether Boris wants it or not.