[Alf]

Just look at the video of her speech and ask yourself a question, does that look like a happy 16 year old child? Because to me it doesn't, and none of this what she's being put through is necessary, it doesn't need to happen.

My advice would be stop cheering her on and be a bit more concerned for her well being and why she's being pushed out there by her parents.

But what do I know? I know nothing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Just look at the video of her speech and ask yourself a question, does that look like a happy 16 year old child? Because to me it doesn't, and none of this what she's being put through is necessary, it doesn't need to happen.

My advice would be stop cheering her on and be a bit more concerned for her well being and why she's being pushed out there by her parents.

But what do I know? I know nothing.

What's there to be happy about? . Even people who know nothing (your words) are against what she stands for simply because she's standing for it, and not doing nothing.

[user104658]

I actually agree with you (somewhat), Alf.

The message she has is important and so is climate change awareness, but the level of attention she's getting at 16 years old from her detractors AND her supporters is not going to be in any way healthy. I'm not sure many people are giving much thought to her personal wellbeing, I don't think it's going to end well for her in terms of her mental health as an adult, and it all leaves me feeling very uneasy.

I also agree that if she was saying these things at 8 years old, it's extremely unlikely (in fact, impossible) that these were her own reasoned thoughts and not parroting of an adult... which is indoctrination... even if everything they were telling her is 100% correct.

So yeah... it's a good cause - but I think she's being used. Maybe unintentionally by those close to her, they were just "sharing their views" and she took to them very strongly, but it's certainly intentional by the various climate change movements using her to draw attention to the cause. It's cynical.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually agree with you (somewhat), Alf.

The message she has is important and so is climate change awareness, but the level of attention she's getting at 16 years old from her detractors AND her supporters is not going to be in any way healthy. I'm not sure many people are giving much thought to her personal wellbeing, I don't think it's going to end well for her in terms of her mental health as an adult, and it all leaves me feeling very uneasy.


I also agree that if she was saying these things at 8 years old, it's extremely unlikely (in fact, impossible) that these were her own reasoned thoughts and not parroting of an adult... which is indoctrination... even if everything they were telling her is 100% correct.

So yeah... it's a good cause - but I think she's being used. Maybe unintentionally by those close to her, they were just "sharing their views" and she took to them very strongly, but it's certainly intentional by the various climate change movements using her to draw attention to the cause. It's cynical.

As a father if a child on the autistic spectrum would you not agree with the parents when they explain that when she is home alone she is miserable and when speaking as an activist motivated?

She is not an average child however this issue has engaged her, and it's a positive one. Yes there is some emotion attached that's to be expected, I'm sure there is plenty of emotional support for Greta.. What's the alternative now, go home and back in her room? This new tactic of 'concern' as a way to promote her silence on this issue I find disturbing.

Not from yourself obviously but as a way to see her as 'less than' .. less than able to cope emotionally, apart from her heartfelt delivery there is nothing to suggest she isn't handling this media driven circus very well. All her responses to detractors, reporters and respective government representatives have been perfectly sensible and above all rational.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

As a father if a child on the autistic spectrum would you not agree with the parents when they explain that when she is home alone she is miserable and when speaking as an activist motivated?

She is not an average child however this issue has engaged her, and it's a positive one. Yes there is some emotion attached that's to be expected, I'm sure there is plenty of emotional support for Greta.. What's the alternative now, go home and back in her room? This new tactic of 'concern' as a way to promote her silence on this issue I find disturbing.

Not from yourself obviously but as a way to see her as 'less than' .. less than able to cope emotionally, apart from her heartfelt delivery there is nothing to suggest she isn't handling this media driven circus very well. All her responses to detractors, reporters and respective government representatives have been perfectly sensible and above all rational.

It's not a new tactic, concern for children is mainly universal.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's not a new tactic, concern for children is mainly universal.

It's sad when that goes out the window when there is a point to prove..very sad.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's not a new tactic, concern for children is mainly universal.

I don't believe it is concern.. it's just another tack to gag her.

[Beso]

Poor girl would be better at school..

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Poor girl would be better at school..

you really have no idea who her parents are

her mom is a quite well known famous operatic singer Malena Ernman

Youtube video

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Thunberg

and her dad is Svante Thunberg, author, arts manager, producer, actor

''He is also associated with the work of his daughter, youth environmental activist Greta Thunberg''


my point is, she probably went to private schools idk

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

you really have no idea who her parents are

her mom is a quite well known famous operatic singer Malena Ernman

Youtube video

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Thunberg

and her dad is Svante Thunberg, author, arts manager, producer, actor

''He is also associated with the work of his daughter, youth environmental activist Greta Thunberg''


my point is, she probably went to private schools idk

And she should still be there...and yes I was aware who are parents are...what has that got to do with her skiving school though...are you saying that because her parents are well off she is better out of achool?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And she should still be there...and yes I was aware who are parents are...what has that got to do with her skiving school though...are you saying that because her parents are well off she is better out of achool?

no not entirely, like i also mentioned, her dad supports Greta with her activist work, so my thoughts are maybe her parents think like this about climate change, and she's somewhat brought forward by them, also makes sense how a 16 year old can appeal to the younger generation more than her parents

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

no not entirely, like i also mentioned, her dad supports Greta with her activist work, so my thoughts are maybe her parents think like this about climate change, and she's somewhat brought forward by them, also makes sense how a 16 year old can appeal to the younger generation more than her parents

There you go...all that says to me is her dad has used her and is using her for his beliefs...definatly better off in school away from these pushy parents.

[user104658]

Oh also, for anyone saying she's practically an adult at 16 years old, I *fundamentally* disagree. I know that "in the eyes of the law!" she would be at 18, but even then, there's a huge difference between 16 and 18... and also... I personally am hesitant to describe anyone under the age of 21 as "an adult" in any meaningful way which makes her not even CLOSE to adulthood.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh also, for anyone saying she's practically an adult at 16 years old, I *fundamentally* disagree. I know that "in the eyes of the law!" she would be at 18, but even then, there's a huge difference between 16 and 18... and also... I personally am hesitant to describe anyone under the age of 21 as "an adult" in any meaningful way which makes her not even CLOSE to adulthood.

I'm very aware of that, and I in no way said you were practically an adult at 16...however I think it is important to highlight that there are teens that are more than aware socially, environmentally and politically, there are many under 21yr olds that would balk at the suggestion they don't have the capacity to interact in a meaningful way... Look at SNP Mahari Black an MP at 20, was she unable to form a worldview at 16?
I don't think it serves any purpose to dumb young people down, if they choose to act or react in a positive way then that's great, anyone of any age can and should speak the truth to power.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm very aware of that, and I in no way said you were practically an adult at 16...however I think it is important to highlight that there are teens that are more than aware socially, environmentally and politically, there are many under 21yr olds that would balk at the suggestion they don't have the capacity to interact in a meaningful way... Look at SNP Mahari Black an MP at 20, was she unable to form a worldview at 16?
I don't think it serves any purpose to dumb young people down, if they choose to act or react in a positive way then that's great, anyone of any age can and should speak the truth to power.

Of course there's teens out there interested in this stuff. But they're teens, their time will come when they can make decisions for themselves, but until then, it's the duty of a parent to protect them.

Pushing them out in front of the World's media to pitch for an issue such as this, which is basically saying "we're all gonna die" You seiously think there's people out there that aren't gonna challenge this?

These people use children to push their message to try and use it against any different views, and think they can shut people down by saying you're bullying a child.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

Of course there's teens out there interested in this stuff. But they're teens, their time will come when they can make decisions for themselves, but until then, it's the duty of a parent to protect them.

Pushing them out in front of the World's media to pitch for an issue such as this, which is basically saying "we're all gonna die" You seiously think there's people out there that aren't gonna challenge this?

These people use children to push their message to try and use it against any different views, and think they can shut people down by saying you're bullying a child.

That's a cop out, their time is now it's their future there's nothing to suggest she's not being protected. Except of course this new morgan driven hysteria that has for some reason concluded she is in some way at risk, or being in some other way exploited... it's pathetic.

She is in front of the media saying this, and who can say for certain she is wrong? Nobody; they can't because they know unless there is sisemic change then she's right as she has science on her side to back it up.

If there was a credible counter argument that didn't use Gretas Aspergers or simple mockery then of course that would be reacted to positively, if all that's offered is bullying then don't be surprised if there's an accusation of bullying.

Look at the reaction of the president of the United States. .. his mockery, do you think that was warranted? Was it right or fair? Could that passive aggressive rudeness not impact on Greta negatively? How angry are you about that?

[Twosugars]

The messenger gets attacked bc the message is uncomfortable.

There will be more young people like her in future campaigning for the same things.

[Alf]

Watch the speech. She read it from a piece of paper, her mother or father could have read that from a piece of paper easily. But it wouldn't have played at the heart strings of people as much.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Watch the speech. She read it from a piece of paper, her mother or father could have read that from a piece of paper easily. But it wouldn't have played at the heart strings of people as much.

Young generations are the ones most affected. They will be dealing with this mess when you are dead.
Very fitting she is young.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Young generations are the ones most affected. They will be dealing with this mess when you are dead.
Very fitting she is young.

Why don't you take her place and take some of the heat of her?

It's no good you preaching to me, as you say, I'm just waiting around for death now anyway.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Why don't you take her place and take some of the heat of her?

It's no good you preaching to me, as you say, I'm just waiting around for death now anyway.

I'm too old too and too jaded

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

Why don't you take her place and take some of the heat of her?

It's no good you preaching to me, as you say, I'm just waiting around for death now anyway.

but why, since you're not that old

[Twosugars]

Extreme sea level events that used to occur once a century will strike every year on many coasts by 2050, no matter whether climate heating emissions are curbed or not, according to a landmark report by the world’s scientists.

The stark assessment of the climate crisis in the world’s oceans and ice caps concludes that many serious impacts are already inevitable, from more intense storms to melting permafrost and dwindling marine life.

But far worse impacts will hit without urgent action to cut fossil fuel emissions, including eventual sea level rise of more than 4 metres in the worst case, an outcome that would redraw the map of the world and harm billions of people.

The report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and approved by its 193 member nations, says that “all people on Earth depend directly or indirectly on the ocean” and ice caps and glaciers to regulate the climate and provide water and oxygen. But it finds unprecedented and dangerous changes being driven by global heating.

Sea level rise is accelerating as losses from Greenland and Antarctica increase, and the ocean is getting hotter, more acidic and less oxygenated. All these trends will continue to the end of the century, the IPCC report said.

Half the world’s megacities, and almost 2 billion people, live on coasts. Even if heating is restricted to just 2C, scientists expect the impact of sea level rise to cause several trillion dollars of damage a year, and result in many millions of migrants.
Mores at https://www.theguardian.com/environm...a-year-by-2050

[Twosugars]

Millions of climate migrants!
If nothing else does this should concentrate the minds of the hard right. We know how much they like migrants....

[Glenn.]

I don’t see how anyone could possibly have a problem with her or her message.