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View Poll Results: Should the UK remain in the EU or leave? | ||||||
Remain | 30 | 54.55% | ||||
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Leave | 18 | 32.73% | ||||
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Undecided | 7 | 12.73% | ||||
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17-10-2019, 11:55 AM | #5076 | |||
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and I thought Jeremy was best buddies with the IRA?
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17-10-2019, 01:27 PM | #5077 | ||
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I will be utterly blown away if it gets through parliament. Leaving with a deal is the best possible outcome at this point but the MPs themselves, from all parties, are still playing politics with it all and it'll be no different to the vote on the May deal.
If we revoke and stay in the EU, the issue will simply never die. It'll swallow UK politics for years if not decades to come. If we leave without a deal it'll be the worst possible outcome economically. Taking a crappy deal and then working on improving it in the years to come is the sensible choice at this point. So... It probably won't happen. |
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17-10-2019, 01:33 PM | #5078 | |||
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17-10-2019, 01:41 PM | #5079 | |||
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This Witch doesn't burn
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I think this deal will scrape through somehow
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17-10-2019, 02:48 PM | #5080 | ||
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It's success depends on the former Con MPs.
Plus if the DUP do stick to actually voting against, then some ERG members in the Con party, could vote against it too. I'd be surprised if even just 10 to 12 Labour MPs were to give support. For the wrong reasons and in the wrong way. It cannot be denied that Johnson has played a negatively clever game here. He's put all Parties, his own included and all the MPs on the spot with this. His agreement is worse than May's, yet here we are. The Lib Dems may now be made to regret really not getting behind the caretaker government plan. However the ensuing general election, if this bill passes will be harder for Johnson. As Farage is against this agreement so will actively fight against Johnson's Cons too. Claiming he sold out in the end. Wrongly but he'll claim he has. Last edited by joeysteele; 17-10-2019 at 02:49 PM. |
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17-10-2019, 03:06 PM | #5081 | ||
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I want a second referendum and a revoke
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17-10-2019, 03:15 PM | #5082 | ||
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17-10-2019, 03:19 PM | #5083 | |||
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It's a smart move from Boris because anyone that now votes against the deal will be seen as obstructive and that will be reflected in any upcoming election. I think the deal will scrape through on that basis.
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17-10-2019, 03:20 PM | #5084 | ||
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Well all those who really want no deal out the way, and now maybe also seeing this poorly set out agreement, what we know of the main points.
Who still want closer connections to the EU. Then revoke may be the only way for them to go now. Unfortunately, I can't see Labour even just as a majority supporting that. Another referendum more possible as an agreement to pass this agreement via an amendment. I guess Twosugars we don't have long to see what the oppositions and also disgruntled Cons decide to do now at this probable last chance saloon. |
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17-10-2019, 03:22 PM | #5085 | ||
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Very true, Joey
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17-10-2019, 03:23 PM | #5086 | |||
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17-10-2019, 03:27 PM | #5087 | |||
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17-10-2019, 03:28 PM | #5088 | ||
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With anyone other than Farage leading the Brexit party, I'd think your point more certain. However Farage is going to present this as not really leaving at all. I can't stand Farage but he is likely the only one who can make Johnson look as if he's sold the cause and leave voters out. It may never result in the Brexit party winning seats but they are likely to pull stronger leave voters back from the Cons. Furthermore, by its name.. The Brexit party needs this to carry on to preserve their own existence further. Farage thrives on divisiveness no matter who it's against. Last edited by joeysteele; 17-10-2019 at 03:30 PM. |
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17-10-2019, 03:57 PM | #5089 | ||
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17-10-2019, 04:24 PM | #5090 | |||
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We're leaving without a deal
We're leaving without a deal Joy oh, Joy oh Joy We're leaving without a deal Hard Border here we come Hard border here we come Joy oh, Joy oh Joy Hard Border here we come Good Friday Surrender gone Good Friday Surrender gone Joy oh, Joy oh Joy Good Friday Surrender gone Thanks to the No Deal supporting Labour Party we are going for a No Deal Hard Brexit, and a hard physical border in Northern Ireland
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17-10-2019, 04:58 PM | #5091 | |||
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The PM is Live now in Brussels
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17-10-2019, 05:11 PM | #5092 | |||
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The EU hasn't satisfied me with it deal.
No deal it shall be.
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17-10-2019, 05:37 PM | #5093 | |||
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17-10-2019, 09:16 PM | #5094 | ||
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I'm even fairly annoyed with the SNP for being dead against it but at least in that case I understand why; the SNP can't be seen to support leaving the EU in any form, as it would play out badly in negotiations if Scotland ever does gain independence and seeks to join a customs union. But for Labour in England - what do they think is going to be achieved at this point? Do they believe there's going to be a delay, a general election, and that the Conservatives won't win it? Living in a fantasy land... it's this deal or no deal for Brexit. That simple. |
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17-10-2019, 09:47 PM | #5095 | ||
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Another route is extension, caretaker government, new deal negotiations and new referendum |
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17-10-2019, 10:03 PM | #5096 | |||
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Any party can accept that at this stage. All this talk of caretaker governments etc will play entirely into the tory hands because as soon as there is a GE ... they will win if the other parties refused to play ball and end the uncertainty. |
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18-10-2019, 12:24 AM | #5098 | |||
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