[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Spoiler alert! I mention Corbyn a few times, so don't read if you can't stomach it!

I know exactly what you are saying and it is that those who voted Tory are idiots and stupid, its hard NOT to know what you are saying when you endlessly repeat it. You think they did so in the knowledge that it would be against their best interests. But you don’t consider the thought that they must have felt that voting for Corbyn and Labour would be worse for the country and their best interests and that is very, very telling indeed.
The general concensus, backed up by polls say that people cite the leadership as the main reason they didn’t vote for Labour. That is a devastating indictment of Corbyn yet you insist he is blameless. That is where you duck and dive and your argument falls down.

Johnson hasn’t had a chance yet, I could understand it if in a years time your dire predictions had all come true. You assume all Tory leaders and policies are going to be the same into infinity. Labour wasn’t always a carbon copy of itself - look at it under Tony Blair. So maybe people preferred to give Johnson a chance, seeing that the alternative was very obviously NOT what they wanted.

If the Labour party from now on keep choosing new leaders of the same far left, extremist, armchair revolutionary ilk, then they are going to be out of power for far longer than another 10 years. People don’t want it - this is the UK, not Russia...and they said so, loud and clear!
Accept it, reflect on where Corbyn and Labour went wrong and WHY people turned their back on them without resorting to the one -size - fits all 'idiots' and 'mass ignorance'. Stop blaming everyone else who used their right to vote how they saw fit without being looked down on by you.

You keep making out that I'm saying **** about Corbyn when I haven't even ****ed mentioned him unless you have prompted me to. YOU are the one trying to shove words down my throat. Control your goddamn obsession for once.

Your argument is that the public aren't foolish because.... they disregarded policies and experience and voted the Tories, not because doing so is beneficial to their existence.... But because they disliked Corbyn that much... You're not really making a compelling argument, buddy. You're just adding fuel to my fire that the public made a dumb decision based on bad faith and motivations.

Who is ducking and diving? You're the one that keeps focusing on **** I've not said so it's just another case of YOU projecting your own flaws onto me. Stop living in your fantasy world and actually argue against what I'm saying for once, come deal with reality for once.

Your next paragraph is basically 'We don't know so let's hope and pray he'll do well because hopes and prayers are more important than experience and analysis! He has been a terrible prime minister so far, the tories have been woeful since they took power at the start of the decade and the whole 'let's wait and see!' attitude is a waste of time when we already know what's ahead of us. Pretty much everything that's happened since 2016 has been predicted by analysts and experts that the Tories and their supporters have been desperate to ignore. I speak with confidence because, unlike most of the public, I am willing to pay attention to bad news and forecasts and learn from them. After all, you did have Micheal Gove telling leavers to disregard the words of experts because they weren't saying what leavers wanted to hear. There's no point in hopes and prayers, it's a nothing answer and a weak one to boot. No matter who's been leading the party since 2010, the path the Tory government has taken has been consistent. Constant cutting of funds of public services and the NHS, the demonisation of the vulnerable and the implementation of a predatory benefits system that thrives on punishing the people in need of it and more.

Whether it's Cameron, May or Boris, it's been the same and it will continue to be the same and it's foolishness to think otherwise when the writing is on the walls and it's been there for years. I value knowledge over living in ignorance and hoping for the best.

You keep acting offended by my words about the public by making out that I'm branding them with the same brush while it seems like anyone who disagrees with you is some sort of Corbyn stan when, if you actually paid attention to what I'm saying. You'd know that I ultimately don't give a **** about Corbyn. I voted for Labour because they had the most realistic chance of saving the NHS and public services which is the main issue I vote on. From now on, I will most likely vote Green unless Labour can rebuild itself into a party that can challenge Tories which I doubt will ever happen since the Tory Cult is in full operation and will never be convinced to vote for themselves and not for the benefit of their overlords. As always, you have real issues with projecting your own flaws onto other people. You don't have an opinion that doesn't involve Corbyn and I'm honestly a bit worried for you for when your main scapegoat steps down. What will you do without Corbyn? You have a real dependency issue when it comes to him.